Valérien Ismaël: Blackburn Rovers Head Coach

[roverblue]

7 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Does Morishita look that appalling? Scored winner at Watford away bet you didnt think he was appalling then. 

You always expected a settling in period for new overseas signings. Finding a home, school for their kids if any, etc. 

Just imagine if you moved to Japan with your family, just imagine how long it would take yourself and family to settle in. 

Even Ismael himself has said time for these sort of excuses is over.

What you are seeing on the pitch is players that at this moment are not good enough to play at Championship level. They may overtime develop into something that is but I would argue we will likely be down in League 1 before that happens.

[JHRover]

14 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Does Morishita look that appalling? Scored winner at Watford away bet you didnt think he was appalling then. 

You always expected a settling in period for new overseas signings. Finding a home, school for their kids if any, etc. 

Just imagine if you moved to Japan with your family, just imagine how long it would take yourself and family to settle in. 

We've chosen to go down the overseas signings route. We didn't need to and nobody forced us to. 

So having made that choice we can't then expect results / performances to be rubbish and to sit in the bottom 3 of the division and for people not to complain or criticise because you need a 'settling in period'.

We knew when the season started and we knew when the games were going to be. If we weren't ready for those demands that's another mark against the names of those responsible for dismantling an experienced squad and replacing it with a totally inexperienced squad. 

This 'settling in' process just another excuse. It isn't going to get us retrospective points on the board or let us move up the league table and it won't stop us being relegated. 

[Old Codger]

There is nothing to say.

The club has been systematically and cynically disemboweled.

The history and traditions of our club count for nothing (under these morons)

The management at the club pour scorn on the fans.

The owners are a complete disgrace and deserve to be run out of town.

The playing squad just isn't good enough for the division we are in (and THEY know it)

The fan base is fractured, demoralised and desperate for change, but that isn't happening on the moron's watch.

RIP BLACKBURN ROVERS 

SHAME ON EVERY SINGLE MORON WHO HAS HAD A HAND IN OUR DEMISE

 

[Upside Down]

29 minutes ago, JHRover said:

We've chosen to go down

Yes, I agree with you completely.

[roversfan99]

51 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Does Morishita look that appalling? Scored winner at Watford away bet you didnt think he was appalling then. 

You always expected a settling in period for new overseas signings. Finding a home, school for their kids if any, etc. 

Just imagine if you moved to Japan with your family, just imagine how long it would take yourself and family to settle in. 

Why can any players who have looked good (ie Alebiousu) be judged freely without the caveat of waiting.

But the ones who look poor (I wouldn't look at Morishita first, but you can certainly question how he had one good game then faded to the point of being an unused sub at the weekend) you go round shutting down anyone and demanding patience.

We cant afford to wait for loads of players to "settle" with one not even fit any time soon. You wont entertain the prospect that some of them may just not be very good.

[dallydally]

1 hour ago, Old Codger said:

There is nothing to say.

The club has been systematically and cynically disemboweled.

The history and traditions of our club count for nothing (under these morons)

The management at the club pour scorn on the fans.

The owners are a complete disgrace and deserve to be run out of town.

The playing squad just isn't good enough for the division we are in (and THEY know it)

The fan base is fractured, demoralised and desperate for change, but that isn't happening on the moron's watch.

RIP BLACKBURN ROVERS 

SHAME ON EVERY SINGLE MORON WHO HAS HAD A HAND IN OUR DEMISE

 

Spot on in every respect!

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

Why can any players who have looked good (ie Alebiousu) be judged freely without the caveat of waiting.

Some of the players who have started well might faded away and have a poor set of games shortly, who knows. we see in the future

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

But the ones who look poor (I wouldn't look at Morishita first, but you can certainly question how he had one good game then faded to the point of being an unused sub at the weekend) you go round shutting down anyone and demanding patience.

again, some players settled in quicker than others. Tronstad started very poorly then spent a couple of months out of the squad then he started and proved his worth. MGP was similar when he didn't play for a couple of months then Hughes brought him back in for Cardiff FA cup in January

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

We cant afford to wait for loads of players to "settle" with one not even fit any time soon.

still banging on about Baradji again like a broken record 

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

You wont entertain the prospect that some of them may just not be very good.

I have always said I will judge on performances of new players so god knows what you going on about again

[rovers11]

I don't think our current results are entirely down to VI, the issues are significantly bigger than the manager. However, I don’t think he's up to the job either. His results since coming in show that, as does his poor managerial record before coming here.

For me, Tony Mowbray coming back is a no brainer. We're now back in the same state (actually much worse) than when he joined the club first time around. He's skilled at stabilising clubs and getting them back on track and that's what we need right now. He's a very safe pair of hands who would get far better results than VI.

[StHelensRover]

3 minutes ago, rovers11 said:

I don't think our current results are entirely down to VI, the issues are significantly bigger than the manager. However, I don’t think he's up to the job either. His results since coming in show that, as does his poor managerial record before coming here.

For me, Tony Mowbray coming back is a no brainer. We're now back in the same state (actually much worse) than when he joined the club first time around. He's skilled at stabilising clubs and getting them back on track and that's what we need right now. He's a very safe pair of hands who would get far better results than VI.

When TM left he had taken us as far as he could and it was time for him to go. I'm grateful to him and for his time leading the team. I think he always did his best and wanted the best for the club, but it became stale and starting sliding backwards, we had a couple of very bad runs towards the end. Objectively he is a much better manager than Valerian Ismael and would do a better job, so bringing him in I think would give us a better chance of avoiding relegation.

However, I think it would really divide the fan base, there are many who got very fed-up with TM and disliked him, if he didn't get results straight away it could get just as toxic as it's probably going to get soon under current management. Not sure whether it would be the right thing to do. There's also no guarantee he'd want to work here again after the way they treated him at the end.

[roversfan99]

RevidgeBlue would have a meltdown if Mowbray came back.

He is definitely a considerable upgrade on Ismael but we shouldnt get him back. He has had his time here and has also recently had a life threatening illness since.

[roversfan99]

48 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Some of the players who have started well might faded away and have a poor set of games shortly, who knows. we see in the future

again, some players settled in quicker than others. Tronstad started very poorly then spent a couple of months out of the squad then he started and proved his worth. MGP was similar when he didn't play for a couple of months then Hughes brought him back in for Cardiff FA cup in January

still banging on about Baradji again like a broken record 

I have always said I will judge on performances of new players so god knows what you going on about again

You say you will judge the manager on results but refrain from calling him out when they continue to be crap.

You say you will judge players on performances, praise the good ones like Alebiosu and defer any judgement on the ones who play poorly because you cant bring yourself to criticise.

Tronstad is the example people come  back to but there are lots of examples of players that signed from abroad, started poorly and failed overall. They wont all do a Tronstad.

[Trinidad Rover]

Morishita after a (successful) spell in Poland.

I can guarantee Manchester will be less of an 'adjustment'. 

[chaddyrovers]

9 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

You say you will judge the manager on results but refrain from calling him out when they continue to be crap.

back to fecking this again, didn't we discuss this yesterday. I have given my thoughts already on Ismael and what I was do post Derby game

9 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

You say you will judge players on performances, praise the good ones like Alebiosu and defer any judgement on the ones who play poorly because you cant bring yourself to criticise.

funny that I commented on Tavares being poor in recent games and that comment was a reply to yourself only 22 hours ago. Or that i comment again in reply to yourself on 14th September that De Neve and Henriksson haven't look good so far. 

So you say I don't criticise but I do when the time is right but not cos you want or expect me to do RF99. 

9 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Tronstad is the example people come  back to but there are lots of examples of players that signed from abroad, started poorly and failed overall. They wont all do a Tronstad.

I haven't said they will all turn out like Tronstad or MGP but they could turn out like De Pedro for an example but only time will tell here, 

Its like you want them to all failed so you waive your hands in the air and say I was right guys and you were wrong Chaddy. Pointless points scoring every time RF99. 

[arbitro]

The manager carries the can for results of course and results are the barometer for any club. Therefore they will ultimately pay the price with their job at a normal club but we are not normal. 

Usually there are signs if the players are going through the motions in a statement of disenchantment with the manager but I haven't seen any evidence of that (apart from Charlton) so I assume they are behind him. 

 

[Jimmy612]

9 minutes ago, arbitro said:

The manager carries the can for results of course and results are the barometer for any club. Therefore they will ultimately pay the price with their job at a normal club but we are not normal. 

Usually there are signs if the players are going through the motions in a statement of disenchantment with the manager but I haven't seen any evidence of that (apart from Charlton) so I assume they are behind him. 

 

It's quite strange with Rovers, but I can't really remember our players absolutely downing tools during any managerial reign.  Even Kean for example - over Christmas 2011 the pressure was mounting, the fans were in uproar, the LET had even said his time was up, and then they drew at Anfield and won at Old Trafford within the space of a few days!  During the early days of protests that season, they beat Arsenal and Swansea at home to relieve the pressure. 

Coyle was a bit the same.  Fans could see that over the course of a season we'd go down, but they'd chuck in occasional wins or draws.  Beating Brentford and Newcastle in the space of a week in November, two wins on the spin in September as well.  

This feels like a similar kind of season.  We'll have periods of winning and drawing a couple to take the pressure off the manager and the board, we won't play badly enough for widescale fan revolt or disenchantment, but ultimately results over the season might not be enough. 

Also, such was the scale of the overhaul this summer, a lot of these players are Ismael's signings, meaning we probably won't see any form of mutiny.  It might just come down to the simple fact that the squad is poor. 

[arbitro]

12 minutes ago, Jimmy612 said:

It's quite strange with Rovers, but I can't really remember our players absolutely downing tools during any managerial reign.  Even Kean for example - over Christmas 2011 the pressure was mounting, the fans were in uproar, the LET had even said his time was up, and then they drew at Anfield and won at Old Trafford within the space of a few days!  During the early days of protests that season, they beat Arsenal and Swansea at home to relieve the pressure. 

Coyle was a bit the same.  Fans could see that over the course of a season we'd go down, but they'd chuck in occasional wins or draws.  Beating Brentford and Newcastle in the space of a week in November, two wins on the spin in September as well.  

This feels like a similar kind of season.  We'll have periods of winning and drawing a couple to take the pressure off the manager and the board, we won't play badly enough for widescale fan revolt or disenchantment, but ultimately results over the season might not be enough. 

Also, such was the scale of the overhaul this summer, a lot of these players are Ismael's signings, meaning we probably won't see any form of mutiny.  It might just come down to the simple fact that the squad is poor. 

I thought there were signs of dissent in the ranks towards the end of Tomasson's reign as there were with Souness. Those two you mention got the odd result to quell any immediate revolt but there did seem to be some grumbling from the players.

Your point about not being good enough is absolutely correct but sometimes a good manager can squeeze some more out of average players. I honestly can't see Ismael as one of those types.

[rigger]

18 minutes ago, Jimmy612 said:

It's quite strange with Rovers, but I can't really remember our players absolutely downing tools during any managerial reign.  Even Kean for example - over Christmas 2011 the pressure was mounting, the fans were in uproar, the LET had even said his time was up, and then they drew at Anfield and won at Old Trafford within the space of a few days!  During the early days of protests that season, they beat Arsenal and Swansea at home to relieve the pressure. 

Coyle was a bit the same.  Fans could see that over the course of a season we'd go down, but they'd chuck in occasional wins or draws.  Beating Brentford and Newcastle in the space of a week in November, two wins on the spin in September as well.  

This feels like a similar kind of season.  We'll have periods of winning and drawing a couple to take the pressure off the manager and the board, we won't play badly enough for widescale fan revolt or disenchantment, but ultimately results over the season might not be enough. 

Also, such was the scale of the overhaul this summer, a lot of these players are Ismael's signings, meaning we probably won't see any form of mutiny.  It might just come down to the simple fact that the squad is poor. 

Poor is an understatement.

[Leonard Venkhater]

22 minutes ago, rigger said:

Poor is an understatement.

Ok...We are shit....

I feel a banner coming on (apologies to Zola)

Rudi Gestede, J'Accuse!!

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

2 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

RevidgeBlue would have a meltdown if Mowbray came back.

I'd join him on Prozac

[Tomphil2]

They knew he wasn't up to much when they brought him in but he'll be cheaper than a lot of others. He'll have the right connections and he's their man - Shadow man and tea boy - so the crafty dossers have ring fenced him with a 3 year plus contract.

India phones up after seeing the results and league position at their 6 monthly meeting when Rovers crops up ...'This is not good enough we are not happy perhaps you should change the Head Coach...'

'Ok boss but performances are good, players and fans love him and we believe a winning steak is around the corner. Oh and it will cost 1.5 million to remove him'

'Ok stick with him whatever happens we aren't paying that, speak again summer, bye'.