If/When we get relegated..

[ManaliveKarl]

Say we do go down. What players from the current squad would you trust/keep for a league 1 promotion push? Or is most that squad instructing agents to look for ways out? 

[47er]

5 minutes ago, ManaliveKarl said:

Say we do go down. What players from the current squad would you trust/keep for a league 1 promotion push? Or is most that squad instructing agents to look for ways out? 

 

No rebuilding done last summer, it was a gross failure and we have to start all over again.We have just about got a first eleven if everyone was full fit--which they never are and we are certain to lose Tronstadt, Cashin and Alebiosu at least. If offers come in for anyone eg Toth they'll be gone. We'll be very ever dependent on the Academy. How long can this go on?

Its a nightmare scenario we are facing.

 

[jim mk2]

If we were to go down I'd expect a clearout with the better players sold and more cheap imports / loanees brought in. 

And I wouldn't expect a promotion push either - unlike the last time under Mowbray this looks terminal. The club is in a far worse state and we could be down amongst the dead men for years. 

"Bigger" clubs than Rovers have struggled to get out of League One. Leeds took 3 years to come back. And we'd have no talismen like Danny Graham or Bradley Dack this time.

It's vital we stay up this season - because there's no say we'll be coming back anytime soon. And if the current hierarchy at Ewood stay in place it could get worse.  This time next year we could be in another relegation battle

They have to appoint a decent manager this week. And then we have to hope for the best

 

 

[sharpysharps86]

1 hour ago, ManaliveKarl said:

Say we do go down. What players from the current squad would you trust/keep for a league 1 promotion push? Or is most that squad instructing agents to look for ways out? 

The latter is most likely, but they'll certainly struggle to shift some of the shocking signings. I expect we'll be stuck with De Neve, Henriksson, and Tavares.

 

[RevidgeBlue]

1 hour ago, ManaliveKarl said:

Say we do go down. What players from the current squad would you trust/keep for a league 1 promotion push? 

Not many!

Assuming Toth  Alebiosu Gudjohnssen Cantwell  Tronstad and maybe Carter would be leaving anyway Id only be looking to keep

Pratt Atcheson Litherland Montgomery and Wharton. 

Anyone else good enough?

[roverandout]

Toth gudjonson baradji alebisou 

[Ossydave]

I imagine we'll practically become a youth team to be honest packed with academy graduates.

Theres bound to be good players in there but they'll get bullied a lot in league 1.

[roversfan99]

Of the young lads, they have shown flashes of quality but I wouldnt just assume even at League 1 that they would thrive just yet, certainly all together. They would naturally get more game time but how ready they are is unclear. Atcheson looks talented but very raw, Montgomery has struggled for game time, not sure what position best suits Litherland, Pratt seems most physically ready but not necessarily to play every week.

Of the senior group, its best not to think about it. Pickering would be a very good left back at that level but his card seems to be marked. Miller would be a good player at that level for all of the question marks in the Championship but he might push for a move. Afolayan would probably be an asset if he was willing to stay but he only signed for 18 months.

Alebiosu, Toth, obviously Tronstad and Gudjohnsen would all be straight out the door as quick as they could. Cantwell too if someone wanted him. There would be a group of players (Jorgensen, Miroshita etc) who maybe would attract teams in poor foreign leagues who might want to take them. I fear that the likes of De Neve, Tavares and Henriksson wouldnt even attract teams like that.

[onlyonejackwalker]

Average turnover is circa 10 million in League One, compared to nearly 40 million in the championship.

Our turnover would drop by over 50%. Anyone with any value would be sold. Higher wage earners released.

It would be carnage. Disastrous. It's imperative we stay up.

[Tom]

Baradji wouldn’t be signed. 

Tronstad will go back to Norway.

Players who have potential to do ok in other leagues overseas like Morishita, Jorgenson, Henriksson and co would go on cheap deals.

Cheap deals in England for the likes of Cantwell and Carter.

’Crown Jewels’ like Toth, Alebiosu and Gudjonssen would be sold for profit. 

We’d end up with a squad with the likes of Pears (although could see him going), De Neve, Tavares, Kargbo, Miller, Pickering, the youngsters and then some extra cheap lower league journeymen.

Whilst last time there was an effort to get straight back I genuinely feel this time would be grim beyond recognition. 

[Tomphil2]

2 hours ago, jim mk2 said:

If we were to go down I'd expect a clearout with the better players sold and more cheap imports / loanees brought in. 

And I wouldn't expect a promotion push either - unlike the last time under Mowbray this looks terminal. The club is in a far worse state and we could be down amongst the dead men for years. 

"Bigger" clubs than Rovers have struggled to get out of League One. Leeds took 3 years to come back. And we'd have no talismen like Danny Graham or Bradley Dack this time.

It's vital we stay up this season - because there's no say we'll be coming back anytime soon. And if the current hierarchy at Ewood stay in place it could get worse.  This time next year we could be in another relegation battle

They have to appoint a decent manager this week. And then we have to hope for the best

 

 

Spot on.

Seen loads of people who seem to have an attitude of the owners will invest and we'll have another brief League 1 tour, we'll come back stronger type stuff.

Big shock coming, what happened last time should never have happened but it was a combination of stuff lead to it spiralling post Kean.  This time it is without doubt managed decline due to no/slashing of financing and has been done on purpose.

For what reasons other than finance we don't know but they are creating a league 1 model whilst just hoping to survive at Championship level.

It won't last nor will it prosper in a lower level it'll just fall in amongst the dead men.

[simongarnerisgod]

our better players won`t play in league one because i don`t think venkys will sanction spending the money like they did last time,enabling us to keep them,last time we got relegated we must have had the biggest wage budget in the division by far,dack,graham,mulgrew,smallwood etc were far to good for that division and it showed,quite certain we won`t have that option this time,i expect a fire sale and quite a long stay in league one,indeed it would`nt be a surprise to me if we ended up where we`ve never been before,the bottom division,death by a thousand cuts,courtesy of pasha,gested and the chicken disrespectors

[lraC]

When we get relegated they will simply put another one of these out and hope enough gullible people buy a season ticket.

[Old Codger]

7 minutes ago, lraC said:

When we get relegated they will simply put another one of these out and hope enough gullible people buy a season ticket.

Must have been penned by AI, as it is the biggest load of guff spouted by the Pune Loon crowd since Madame Rao crowed gushingly about spending a whole five million pounds a season to keep Rovers in the Premier League.

It is no coincidence that the clear out of Championship standard players at the end of last season and their replacement with largely inferior and inexperienced ones has placed the status of the club in the Championship in peril. On reflection it looks likely to have been a deliberate act of sabotage designed to hasten the drop through the trapdoor into relative obscurity. Perhaps the Venky's plan is to close the operation down when it has become so relatively trivial as to not cause them any significant embarrassment. That would seem to be a plausible explanation for the trajectory that has clearly been set by the so called management at the club. 

What utter charlatans and shysters the Rao family are. What an absolute BLIGHT on the town of Blackburn and the legacy of all decent and passionate supporters of the club. And what an absolute dog-shit insult that sodding statement is, reeking of nothing but complete disconnection with the reality of misery and misfortune that our club has been dragged down to by these pathetic and cretinous people.

VENKYS / RAOS / HANGERS ON OUT!

BRFC we grieve for your supporters' pain.

[Leonard Venkhater]

1 hour ago, Ossydave said:

I imagine we'll practically become a youth team to be honest packed with academy graduates.

Theres bound to be good players in there but they'll get bullied a lot in league 1.

Blackburn Alexandra. We've seen this coming. Fck off, Venky's!

[NeilInBristol]

2 hours ago, jim mk2 said:

If we were to go down I'd expect a clearout with the better players sold and more cheap imports / loanees brought in. 

And I wouldn't expect a promotion push either - unlike the last time under Mowbray this looks terminal. The club is in a far worse state and we could be down amongst the dead men for years. 

"Bigger" clubs than Rovers have struggled to get out of League One. Leeds took 3 years to come back. And we'd have no talismen like Danny Graham or Bradley Dack this time.

It's vital we stay up this season - because there's no say we'll be coming back anytime soon. And if the current hierarchy at Ewood stay in place it could get worse.  This time next year we could be in another relegation battle

They have to appoint a decent manager this week. And then we have to hope for the best

 

 

Agreed

If they sacked ismael when will they sack gestede etc? Clearly they are equally incompetent 

[Wegerleswiggle]

Pears

Litherland Atcheson Wharton Pickering 

Montgomery Tavares

Jorgensen Henrickson Afolayan

Ohashi

[ManaliveKarl]

55 minutes ago, Tom said:

Baradji wouldn’t be signed. 

Tronstad will go back to Norway.

Players who have potential to do ok in other leagues overseas like Morishita, Jorgenson, Henriksson and co would go on cheap deals.

Cheap deals in England for the likes of Cantwell and Carter.

’Crown Jewels’ like Toth, Alebiosu and Gudjonssen would be sold for profit. 

We’d end up with a squad with the likes of Pears (although could see him going), De Neve, Tavares, Kargbo, Miller, Pickering, the youngsters and then some extra cheap lower league journeymen.

Whilst last time there was an effort to get straight back I genuinely feel this time would be grim beyond recognition. 

The thought of playing in league 1 with the likes of AK, De Neve and Tavares worries me.

[AspRover]

Goes without saying that it would be an absolute disaster and I 100% do not trust the current management structure to navigate it competently.

That said, I will try to be balanced here.

Even once the inevitable asset stripping has occurred I think we likely have a league one team. Not a promotion team necessarily, but a team nonetheless. This isn't a defence of the current players, it just reflects how much league one standard dross we have managed to accumulate, in combination with the fact that a lot of the academy products actually look pretty OK.

I'm not saying I personally want to keep all these players but plausibly after all the sellable ones have gone we could be left with something like - 

Pears

Miller   Pratt   McLoughlin   Pickering

Garrett  Henriksson  Montgomery

Afolayan   Ohashi*  Kargbo

 

With a bench of: one of the youth keepers, Wharton, O'Riordan, Duru, De Neve, Atcheson, Powell, Dlamini, Doherty

*I don't know about Ohashi, but I think there's a reasonable chance that one of Ohashi, Jorgenson, Gudjohnsen stays. There will likely be at least one or two 'sellable' players we fail to shift.

I've based that on youngsters who have made championship or cup minutes this season and not looked entirely out of their depth. League one is very physical, but players with pace tend to do well, so I do think that Kargbo might be a bit of a weapon at that level. 

 I'm not sure it gets promoted without reinforcement, particularly us finding a talisman/goalscorer like we did with Dack, and the midfield is terrifyingly thin, but I think it would be reasonably competitive (again, this is damning the squad with the faintest of praise).

The real issue will be that if we didn't get promoted at the first time of asking we'd just be cost cut to a stable league one team, then to a 'lets just stay in the division' league one team, then to a 'we'll definitely be competitive in league 2' team...

 

[Bethnal]

Near-confirmed 'outs':
Tronstad; TGH; Baradji; Cashin; Tyjon

Probable 'outs':
Cantwell; Pickering; Ribeiro; Toth; Alebiosu; Carter

Being fair, you can look at three loans, as has happened this year and being a step below Championship, probably get some good value from that. Could see Hedges & Forshaw renewing.

I think the rest don't really have a move to make, other than down (Andri aside, perhaps). On paper, we'd be fancied to bounce back, so you'd stick around and see if it can happen. Even still - 6 current starters to replace in a summer with Gestede's track record is a deathwish.

Because of the Pune-to-Ewood psychodrama that we're locked in, we have to speculate on what relegation would mean for its architects within the club, given our owners are absent. I suspect there will be some questions asked of Pasha, if we do go down. I don't think it's a good sign that Sreenivasa Rao has often been pictured at Ewood recently, as it gives Gestede and Pasha the opportunity to obfuscate and build rapport, potentially saving their skins. I am hopeful that Pasha's recent prolonged absence was to get to the bottom of the performance issues and/or issue an ultimatum to him, but I reckon the chance is slim.

I've got a weird feeling that Venkys would actually spend "big" (relative to League One and our recent expenditure) next season, owing mainly to vanity. Unfortunately, I don't see Rudy or Pasha getting sacked, so that budget is destined to be squandered.

Either way - I'm pretty resolved to maybe a couple of away games and catching us on Sky, where possible. Simply not good for my wellbeing (and other facets of my life) to be so affected by something that is controlled by dilettantes and sycophants, uninterested in its success.

Edited 25 minutes ago by Bethnal

[Exiled_Rover]

2 hours ago, onlyonejackwalker said:

Average turnover is circa 10 million in League One, compared to nearly 40 million in the championship.

Our turnover would drop by over 50%. Anyone with any value would be sold. Higher wage earners released.

It would be carnage. Disastrous. It's imperative we stay up.

We're operating on a L1 budget anyway, so we shouldn't notice the difference...

[RevidgeBlue]

2 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

We're operating on a L1 budget anyway, so we shouldn't notice the difference...

Disagree.

We'd be the thick end of £10m down on TV and gate revenue alone.