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Speaking of Adam and having too many midfielders... I updated a little song we haven't sung for a season and a half:

Oh-ay-oh, why've we still got Smallwood

Oh-ay-oh, why's he still at Ewood

Oh-ay-oh, he's terrible in every way..... (some-one-take-him!).

Adam not being signed is only a negative when it protects weaker footballers in our squad. If we start the season with only Conway, Rodwell, Reed and Raya gone from our team in May, something has gone wrong. Far too many L1 plodders.

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29 minutes ago, neophox said:

There are plenty of good centre Backs available on a free, Vermalen 33, Kaboul 33, Skrtl 34 and Holmen 27 would all improve our defence.

Frees aren't free though are they?  Wages, signing on fees etc all have to be paid and 3 of the 4 you mention are a fair way past 30. What we really need is a 28 year old or so who we can, barring serious injury, rely on to organise our defence for the next couple of seasons at least. They cost money I know. And they're not easy to come by. But working from that as the ideal we should be able to land someone capable

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Think I’d rather just play Adarabioyo next to Lenihan as his CB partner than have Mulgrew starting 

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1 minute ago, Mattyblue said:

That’s a different issue.

He’s being billed as a centre half, a position we massively need reinforcing. Yet he’s a teenager that’s never played their professionally. 

 

"being billed as" 

LOL 

To be fair, we haven't even signed him so I don't think he is being billed as anything, by anyone at the club. 

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The young CB we had on loan from UTD i think played mostly right back in his short stint and looked a bit raw but looked better in his centre half stints then went to dingle town and looked a natural centre half.

Maybe the City lad willl turn out the same.

I'm ok with the keeper it's the left field signing i expected and although in the bigger pic probably not better than Raya just different and that difference will hopefully suit this team better.

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Getting rid of players is difficult.

I'd have liked to see Mulgrew, Williams, Evans, and Smallwood all leave this summer but it sounds like only Smallwood might go.

That's a problem, what do we do with our captain?  He's still bigged up in Rovers media, in fact, he and Evans have been announced as charity ambassadors for the season https://www.rovers.co.uk/news/2019/july/chosen-charities-meet-their-player-ambassadors/ so I'd guess there's no chance of them leaving.

Mulgrew and Evans (and Williams when fit) will expect to play most games and I imagine their wages will mean we would be wasting a lot of money (hard to justify to bosses) if we don't.  I do wonder if this is making it harder to bring in top quality Central defenders. 

 

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Just now, Bigdoggsteel said:

"being billed as" 

LOL 

To be fair, we haven't even signed him so I don't think he is being billed as anything, by anyone at the club. 

I know the club haven’t. So save your ‘LOLs’ :rolleyes: for someone else.

Im talking about posters on here mentioning him as an incoming centre half and his games for West Brom... he was a full back, he’s never played in a first team as a centre half, so expectations of the lad helping to solve our central defence issues need dosing down.

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39 minutes ago, Butty said:

Don’t speak too West Brom fans about him, from what I’ve seen on Twitter a lot aren’t overly complimentary about him. “Okay as a back up” I’ve seen a few times, so for someone we are expecting too come in to the first team that isn’t promising. 

The lad is Young, how many of our players have made it as 21 year olds in centre back position, he will be stronger this year.

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Just now, Mattyblue said:

I know the club haven’t. So save your ‘LOLs’ :rolleyes: for someone else.

Im talking about posters on here mentioning him as an incoming centre half and his games for West Brom... he was a full back, he’s never played in a first team as a centre half, so expectations of the lad helping to solve our central defence issues need dosing down.

Fake news

According to TransferMarkt Adarabioyo played CB 21 times, RB 14 times and LB once. So a bit of a utility man. 

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/tosin-adarabioyo/leistungsdaten/spieler/258878/plus/0?saison=2018

( @DE. et all, 2019) 

 

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Just now, Blueandwhitemike said:

 

Getting rid of players is difficult.

I'd have liked to see Mulgrew, Williams, Evans, and Smallwood all leave this summer but it sounds like only Smallwood might go.

That's a problem, what do we do with our captain?  He's still bigged up in Rovers media, in fact, he and Evans have been announced as charity ambassadors for the season https://www.rovers.co.uk/news/2019/july/chosen-charities-meet-their-player-ambassadors/ so I'd guess there's no chance of them leaving.

Mulgrew and Evans (and Williams when fit) will expect to play most games and I imagine their wages will mean we would be wasting a lot of money (hard to justify to bosses) if we don't.  I do wonder if this is making it harder to bring in top quality Central defenders. 

 

Yep something that hasn't gone unoticed and to me is a bit of a statement as if they are mainstays of the squad. To be fair allowing for the usual weaknesses they all played quite well early last season so we are hanging our hat on that again.

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I was going off West Brom fans.

Fair enough then, let’s hope a young lad with 20 games as a centre half can step up to the plate in what is a very poor defence. Or even better , he’s a back up to an experienced centre back that is being kept under the radar...

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Just now, Mattyblue said:

I was going off West Brom fans.

Fair enough then, let’s hope a young lad with 20 games as a centre half can step up to the plate in what is a very poor defence. Or even better , he’s a back up to an experienced centre back that is being kept under the radar...

I hope so too. I hope he is so good like Reed , Travis and Rothwell that once he plays there, he can't be dropped.  Will Mowbray have him straight in centre half? Unlikely...

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Just now, Mattyblue said:

No it’s Mulgrew. God help us at Fulham.

God help all of our defenders that day. Knockaert, Mitrovic and Caveleiro with Cairney behind them. We will see where we are at defensively after that game. 

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In the LT Mowbray saying that Johnson "has some size about him" and that he needs to get him fit enough to play. I'm reading that as he won't be starting games any time soon.

With the lack of a pre-season both Downing and Gallager will be in that category too.

Why do we always seem to sign players that aren't fit enough to play (according to Mowbray)?

 

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Just now, OJRovers said:

In the LT Mowbray saying that Johnson "has some size about him" and that he needs to get him fit enough to play. I'm reading that as he won't be starting games any time soon.

With the lack of a pre-season both Downing and Gallager will be in that category too.

Why do we always seem to sign players that aren't fit enough to play (according to Mowbray)?

 

It's not like our standards of fitness are high either, we looked one the unfittest sides in the league last season.

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Just now, OJRovers said:

In the LT Mowbray saying that Johnson "has some size about him" and that he needs to get him fit enough to play. I'm reading that as he won't be starting games any time soon.

With the lack of a pre-season both Downing and Gallager will be in that category too.

Why do we always seem to sign players that aren't fit enough to play (according to Mowbray)?

 

He played on the play off final on the 27th May. Back in training in June.

I thought modern players had off season diet plans and fitness routines etc to ensure they didn’t come back out of condition?

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Just now, OJRovers said:

In the LT Mowbray saying that Johnson "has some size about him" and that he needs to get him fit enough to play. I'm reading that as he won't be starting games any time soon.

With the lack of a pre-season both Downing and Gallager will be in that category too.

Why do we always seem to sign players that aren't fit enough to play (according to Mowbray)?

 

"He’s a lad who has some physicality about him, some size but plenty of quality in his left foot,”

“We have to get him super fit so that he can impact every game physically up and down the pitch and impact in both boxes as well as with his passing and his strength.”

 

A few ways to read that really. May start.

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He's a big strong lad is all. Tony wouldn't play him if his fitness level was so bad. Gonna be great having a Midfielder who is strong in the air. 🙂

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Just now, OJRovers said:

In the LT Mowbray saying that Johnson "has some size about him" and that he needs to get him fit enough to play. I'm reading that as he won't be starting games any time soon.

With the lack of a pre-season both Downing and Gallager will be in that category too.

Why do we always seem to sign players that aren't fit enough to play (according to Mowbray)?

 

You are definitely taking his comments out of context here.  He said he needs game time, just as every player does in pre-season. The comment on his size wasn't a dig at him being fat or out of shape, more that he is strong. 

“He needed a game. He’s a lad who has some physicality about him, some size but plenty of quality in his left foot,” Mowbray said of the former Leeds United and Norwich City man.

“He needs to play, be fit, and get him as many minutes as possible.

“I think he’s a good acquisition. He’s an experienced footballer who knows his job.

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6 hours ago, Paul Mani said:

Sounds like we gave the guy somewhere to get fit. We liked some of what we saw and maybe made him an offer. He took a bigger offer but nothing is lost. In fact it creates a positive perception around the club and football. 

When I posted that I’d prefer us to promote Buckley rather than sign Adam it got a lot of likes on here. So why are we now criticising what essentially was a good thing that the club did? They’re damned if they do and damned if they don’t. 

Sorry for any transgression of your MB rules. Silly fecker that I am I thought I was allowed an opinion and freedom of expression.

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Just now, Bigdoggsteel said:

You are definitely taking his comments out of context here.  He said he needs game time, just as every player does in pre-season. The comment on his size wasn't a dig at him being fat or out of shape, more that he is strong. 

“He needed a game. He’s a lad who has some physicality about him, some size but plenty of quality in his left foot,” Mowbray said of the former Leeds United and Norwich City man.

“He needs to play, be fit, and get him as many minutes as possible.

“I think he’s a good acquisition. He’s an experienced footballer who knows his job.

We’ll see, but I wouldn’t bet on him starting until September at the earliest.

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1 hour ago, Mellor Rover said:

Hilarious people are unhappy at signing a CB who was pretty much a mainstay in a team that finished 4th. 

Same people probably unhappy with an experienced player like Bradley Johnson signing for free who played most matches post January in a team one game from the Premier League.

I know it’s a message board but can we at least try to lighten the fuck up.

He played almost exclusively at right back (not sure them stats below are correct positionally, Dawson and Hegazi where the main 2 for WBA in the centre) and West Brom fans seem almost exclusively glad to see the back of him. He was replaced by Holgate in January. I do hope that the fact he was out of position is the reason for his poor form.

Ive seen little if any criticism of the Johnson signing.

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