v Ipswich Town (h) - 02/12/25

[RoversTilliDie]

5 minutes ago, KentExile said:

2 subs

The first 3 (Tavares, Cantwell & Baradji) had already been bought on before we went ahead.  He then decided that Gueye & De Neve were good options to hold onto the lead

He's a prick, that once again spoilt the party at Ewood, he makes far to many substitutions, when we're in control of games.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

10 minutes ago, joey_big_nose said:

What has really struck me is how hard the players seem to be working for Ismael, and that from a team that a month ago most would have said is very very poor (Pears, Pratt, Forshaw etc) hes got us playing well.

Im so up and down on him.

'Tis a RESULTS game...the Frenchman's record is not good.

 

[RoversTilliDie]

2 minutes ago, NeilInBristol said:

We have conceded 6 goals this season after 90mins

two in the last couple of games

no wonder Ipswich pushed for a replay they know how poor our game management is 

this is solely on the “coach” I couldn’t call him a manager he can’t manage stoppage time

Were blaming the team, when the blame should go to Ismael, for shite tactics.

[Parsonblue]

I thought we were excellent last night and I must admit that I'm really warming to this manager.  I have no problem with his substitutions.  With all the injuries he has at the moment it makes sense to me to try to manage the players in terms of game time.  The last thing we need are more players on the injured list.

The last two games have shown just how good we can be and deserved the three points in both games.

However, once again the standard of the officials was poor to say the least.  If a corner had been given at the end, which I have no doubt it should have been, the game would have been over.  Another red card that should have been given, and wasn't, and another potential penalty that a ref chose to ignore.  

I came away last night disappointed about the late equaliser but thoroughly heartened by the performance.  That was the kind of performance that we see regularly away from home. If we continue to play like this we'll have a decent season.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Each to their own Parsons but your first paragraph has left me speechless.

Your comment of a 'decent Season'..really?

We are sleepwalking to oblivion.

 

Edited 47 minutes ago by SIMON GARNERS 194

[London blue]

It's undeniable that subbing on Gueye and De Neve had cost us before last night, then he fucking did it again.

Take off Ohashi or Gudjohnson and bring on a defender or a midfielder, not the lightweight winger who has proved himself to be inept at managing a game and seeing out a win.

It's fucking bemusing.

[KidderStreetNoise]

25 minutes ago, Penwortham Blue said:

As soon as the foul was made and the referee blew, I thought it was a red and I was right in line with it. The Ipswich manager has all but conceded that it was a red and everyone I know who had the benefit of TV, said it was a clear and obvious red card. Morishita was 2/3 yards clear of both defenders, albeit a distance from goal, not really sure how you think there was plenty of time for Davies to cover.

If he was 2 or 3 yards clear, what fouled him?

[Wheelton Blue]

"We played well"; We were excellent"; "We were unlucky"; "We deserved 3 points" "Ref was shit"

That's just losers' talk to me.

All I care about is winning football matches. 

1 win in 9, carry on like this, and we're only heading one way.

People need to waken up.

 

[davulsukur]

Ipswich at least, showed exactly why the game needed to be replayed and why we could never have been awarded the points.

[RoversTilliDie]

Time will tell, if it's a point gained last night. On paper, Ipswich were the toughest opposition of the 3 home games. If we can win the other 2, it will put us in a better position.

[Tomphil2]

9 minutes ago, Parsonblue said:

I thought we were excellent last night and I must admit that I'm really warming to this manager.  I have no problem with his substitutions.  With all the injuries he has at the moment it makes sense to me to try to manage the players in terms of game time.  The last thing we need are more players on the injured list.

The last two games have shown just how good we can be and deserved the three points in both games.

However, once again the standard of the officials was poor to say the least.  If a corner had been given at the end, which I have no doubt it should have been, the game would have been over.  Another red card that should have been given, and wasn't, and another potential penalty that a ref chose to ignore.  

I came away last night disappointed about the late equaliser but thoroughly heartened by the performance.  That was the kind of performance that we see regularly away from home. If we continue to play like this we'll have a decent season.

A watcher as experienced as you can clearly see what is happening time and again with the same subs it isn't coicidence.

There is a need to /mange/ players of course there is and many have to do it at this level with smaller squads but he's getting it wrong.

Results and points matter most and sometime you have to see games out and bust some legs in order to do that. there is also a need here to get mins in players where possible and that is clearly going on as well.

I think he's getting what he can out of most of these players which is good but he has some serious flaws that need ironing out otherwise relegation will be one 'hard luck' story.

[DE.]

Just now, Wheelton Blue said:

"We played well"; We were excellent"; "We were unlucky"; "We deserved 3 points" "Ref was shit"

That's just losers' talk to me.

All I care about is winning football matches. 

1 win in 9, carry on like this, and we're only heading one way.

People need to waken up.

 

A lot of it is cope, but it's understandable in the circumstances. 

I think we've only scored more than once in 4 of our 18 matches. Little wonder we're struggling as this isn't a team that has the quality to consistently keep clean sheets. I believe it's also 4 in 18. 

It's sad that many now consider what we're seeing as "playing well", but in context of the squad and manager I understand it. I'm just confused about why anyone would seem content or satisfied that this is our level now. 

[RoversTilliDie]

2 minutes ago, Wheelton Blue said:

"We played well"; We were excellent"; "We were unlucky"; "We deserved 3 points" "Ref was shit"

That's just losers' talk to me.

All I care about is winning football matches. 

1 win in 9, carry on like this, and we're only heading one way.

People need to waken up.

 

We would have won it easy, if your friend the ref, gave a red card, instead of yellow. Last man who fouls a striker who's clean through, is definitely a red card. Some supporters from other clubs, on social media, said the same last night, you were robbed.

[Cherry Blue]

1 hour ago, Gamst said:

It kind of is the officials fault for giving a goal kick at the end when it was a corner. That would probably been the end of the match and a win had that not happened. 

Yeah poor decision. He gave the goalkick on probability/gut feeling rather than fact and let's face it this is what championship referees do and next game will be same.

If our finishing had been better, including Wrexham game, we would've been out of sight by HT. Then ismael could afford to use/rest/manage players. 

So the only answer is score more goals. Simple in'it :(

[arbitro]

Although it didn't affect the result but to highlight how poor the referee was he actually was incorrect in law in one incident (failing to apply law Is a cardinal sin in refereeing terms).

Young went down with a head injury in the penalty area in the first half as we had the ball out wide towards the Riverside. He stopped the game. His incorrect law application was not making Young to off for 30 seconds.

The change came in this season whereby if the referee stops the game for a head injury the player has to go off for 30 seconds irrespective of whether he has had treatment.

On the theme of players going down I thought Ipswich were the worst I have seen for a long time. They certainly took advantage of a weak referee.

[Wheelton Blue]

3 minutes ago, RoversTilliDie said:

We would have won it easy, if your friend the ref, gave a red card, instead of yellow. Last man who fouls a striker who's clean through, is definitely a red card. Some supporters from other clubs, on social media, said the same last night, you were robbed.

The fact remains that 3 points were there to be won. 

Why we didn't is due to a poor manager, making poor decisions, with poor players.

Everything else is excuse making.

[Dolly blue]

For the first time in my life I chose not to watch Rovers on Sky last night. 
I might be weak of character , but I can no longer watch the pathetic displays from appalling Gestede led signings   and a manager who is out of his depth. 
I’m not physically able to get to the ground anymore but my love of this club runs deep. …It’s been a massive part of my life it..and, what frightens me is that I feel so much better for not watching.

I’m sure I’m not alone in my sadness. 

[MarkBRFC]

11 hours ago, duckson said:

I don't understand why no Yuri Ribeiro and instead using De Neve who is....erm...not very good.

De Neve is cheaper, that's all there is to it.

11 hours ago, RTM08 said:

Out of interest as it doesn't say because it was even longer back... when was the last winner we scored in the 90th minute or later?

 

10 hours ago, G Somerset Rover said:

I believe it’s @Herbie6590 on Twitter that we need to thank for trawling the (not so) recent archives, but it’s 2020 - Adam Armstrong against Rotherham.

The last 90+ minute winner in front of fans was November 2019, against Sheffield Wednesday at Ewood.

[BankEnd Rover]

Good to see Cantwell back. Looking forward to seeing him link up with Gudjohnson and Yuki...Will Feel for Mori though as he's looked good, but will just give us an option off the bench.

Must win game Saturday.

[joey_big_nose]

30 minutes ago, KentExile said:

2 subs

The first 3 (Tavares, Cantwell & Baradji) had already been bought on before we went ahead.  He then decided that Gueye & De Neve were good options to hold onto the lead

From my point of view I couldn't understand Tavares at all. Total and utter passenger off the ball, and a liability on it - the worst thing to have sitting in front of the defence. He could have brought Axel on imo, and while chaotic at least he would have put a foot in. And De Neve for Hedges was the wrong call, but tbf I could see us getting absolutely penned in down the left if we had Riberio on as he doesn't have the pace to get out. So all options not optimal. 

Otherwise the subs were as good as we could do I think. Baradji looks okay, Cantwell obviously good. We only have Gueye so that is hardly the managers choice when we are running our front two into the ground.

So from me manager gets a minus for the poor subs, but a couple of plusses for the motivation of the team and general setup.

1st of Jan we need some reliable experienced players to close out games. Particularly a forward who can hold up the ball, a centre back, and wingbacks. I am very fearful if Alebiosu or Hedges get injured. Hard role to replace too where you want experience and defensive awareness but also a real engine. The older players we can afford are not likely to still have the required fitness.

[booth]

44 minutes ago, joey_big_nose said:

What has really struck me is how hard the players seem to be working for Ismael, and that from a team that a month ago most would have said is very very poor (Pears, Pratt, Forshaw etc) hes got us playing well.

Im so up and down on him.

It's because generally the team plays a decent game. 

The problem is that the manager then gets giddy with his subs and tactics in the last 30 minutes which undo all the efforts.

[Gamst]

4 minutes ago, DE. said:

A lot of it is cope, but it's understandable in the circumstances. 

I think we've only scored more than once in 4 of our 18 matches. Little wonder we're struggling as this isn't a team that has the quality to consistently keep clean sheets. I believe it's also 4 in 18. 

It's sad that many now consider what we're seeing as "playing well", but in context of the squad and manager I understand it. I'm just confused about why anyone would seem content or satisfied that this is our level now. 

I agree entirely. It is sad that plucky performances against Wrexham and PNE are seen as a ‘good display’ nowadays but it is where we are.
I can’t imagine anyone is actually content with the overall direction of travel. We are circling the footballing drain. If we manage to stay up this season which we are just about on course to do then what happens next season? Without a change of ownership or a Venkys personality transplant the only way is down. 

That aside, it’s entirely reasonable to compare the squads of Wrexham/Ipswich with ours and say that the team has done well with the tools it has at their disposal. The overall downgrading of the squad is not the fault of the players. They can only do their best and I don’t think effort or application is the issue (apart from Gueye who appears to have given up). I think we are actually exceeding our expectations by a considerable amount when you look at the squad and some credit is due. Late heartache aside these are 2 good points on paper! The more controversial discussion is about Val. I happen to think he is doing well with a limited team and for some reason I quite like him. I also have massive reservations about his overall integrity given his apparent accord with the owners and stooges. 

[joey_big_nose]

Just now, BankEnd Rover said:

Good to see Cantwell back. Looking forward to seeing him link up with Gudjohnson and Yuki...Will Feel for Mori though as he's looked good, but will just give us an option off the bench.

Must win game Saturday.

Genuinely think we may play both Mori and Cantwell. Think first team when we have the shorter term injuries back is :

                                 Toth

          Miller        McCloughlin     Pratt

Alebiosu    Mori     Tronstad     Cantwell   Hedges

                      Ohashi     Gudjohnson

Subs : Pears, Litherland, Pickering, Baradji, Forshaw, De Neve, TGH, Montgomery, Gueye

                                

[roversfan99]

33 minutes ago, Parsonblue said:

I thought we were excellent last night and I must admit that I'm really warming to this manager.  I have no problem with his substitutions.  With all the injuries he has at the moment it makes sense to me to try to manage the players in terms of game time.  The last thing we need are more players on the injured list.

The last two games have shown just how good we can be and deserved the three points in both games.

However, once again the standard of the officials was poor to say the least.  If a corner had been given at the end, which I have no doubt it should have been, the game would have been over.  Another red card that should have been given, and wasn't, and another potential penalty that a ref chose to ignore.  

I came away last night disappointed about the late equaliser but thoroughly heartened by the performance.  That was the kind of performance that we see regularly away from home. If we continue to play like this we'll have a decent season.

But we continue to show an inability to avoid conceding late goals and a number of the signings brought in by Gestede and endorsed by Ismael are coming on and really causing us problems because they are nowhere near the level.

Supposedly "deserving" 3 points and not getting 3 points is not a good sign.

[alcd]

10 hours ago, simongarnerisgod said:

omwards and upwards,i`ll be extremely disapointed if we don`t get 6 points from our next two games

Prepare to be disappointed....