[Archived] Cardiff City (A) Match Thread - 2Nd January 2016

[Waggy76]

Straight replacement.....crap for crap.

That is the main problem !

[adopted scouser]

Maybe you're right but GB was expected to do a lot more with the squad than Lambert has been.

If you went today you'd be embarrassed at the style of football and calibre of performance. It was so mind numbingly awful.

Bolton was bad enough !

[Tallrover]

http://www.rovers.co.uk/news/article/blackburn-rovers-paul-lambert-cardiff-city-2880074.aspx

So its not his fault or the players? A bit of bad decision making in the final third (did we ever get that far to make these so called bad decisions) but overall its the Ref's fault?

Come on PL you're better than that. Pressure telling already?

[Jimmy612]

I will say this, there is no excuse for starting Williamson today. He should've known within his first week that the guy is a one-paced crab. I know he gives his all, and I could never fault him for that, but he's League Two quality at best.

No idea whats gone wrong with Evans but Lambert could hardly persist with Guthrie after last weeks showing. I'll take a player who gives his all before a bone idle and shiftless idler who is living on an outdated reputation.

I know it's still early days but almost a month ago I warned people were going overboard about Paul Lambert and was roundly criticised but now it seems more and more are in agreement with every passing match. One thing he needs to do is avoid quoting Steve Kean "we have to keep working hard at training" really grates around here.

I'm even starting to have a little sympathy for the owners as no matter what they do to please latterly everything they touch quickly turns to base metal.

[sambo]

Lambert blaming the referee. Wow. His press conferences are becoming as bewildering as Bowyer's.

[DE.]

So its not his fault or the players? A bit of bad decision making in the final third (did we ever get that far to make these so called bad decisions) but overall its the Ref's fault?

Come on PL you're better than that. Pressure telling already?

Am a bit disappointed with the rub of the green comments. We're not winning because we're crap and never look like scoring.

I assume PL is trying to keep the spirits of the players up by not criticising them in public. He may be stuck with some of these sad sacks for a while yet.

[Speedie Dived]

Its all about next season people.

Lambert is taking a look at the current crop and realising, as a few of us did under Bowyer, that the players are simply not good enough, how could they be? free transfers and other championship clubs 'throwaways' with a few cheap foreign imports.

Forget this season, its gone, look forward to next.

Spot on. Defended Bowyer on this point, if we don't sign any quality this window got a feeling I will be defending Lambert as well. While the masses will hope a new Messiah will walk through the door and miraculously change things.

We need better players. It's that simple.

[Gav]

Spot on. Defended Bowyer on this point, if we don't sign any quality this window got a feeling I will be defending Lambert as well. While the masses will hope a new Messiah will walk through the door and miraculously change things.

We need better players. It's that simple.

You'll only be defending Lambert on here, in the real world most fans understand whats going on SD.

Far too many posters think a new manager means playoffs and possible promotion, especially after the first few games, well it doesn't, you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear as someone said earlier and thats absolutely spot on.

Paul now knows his squads cr@p, most of us know his squads cr@p, if anyone thought changing managers was going to solve all our problems they now know that isn't the case.

Give the man time, he'll get this right.

[Stuart]

So its not his fault or the players? A bit of bad decision making in the final third (did we ever get that far to make these so called bad decisions) but overall its the Ref's fault?

Come on PL you're better than that. Pressure telling already?

Probably knows he has to get through the next two or three weeks with this shower and trying to give them a break. I expect he's rollicking them in private though.

[Speedie Dived]

You'll only be defending Lambert on here, in the real world most fans understand whats going on SD.

Will admit though, it's worrying the decline in performances. I wouldn't expect us to be this toothless.

Some drastic changes should be around the corner now. If not then the spotlight needs directing to our wonderful owners, not the manager.

[JBiz]

Some of these players have no desire or ambition. A bunch of sulking overpaid premadonnas unwilling to put a shift in. What a load of sh1t.

And to the miserable old hag who told me and my friends off for talking throughout the first half, go shove it. I forgot watching Rovers demands absolute silence. Not as if there's anything to concentrate on!

How did we set up tactically? What did you make of it? Subs etc?

[roversfan99]

Why do people, especially those who dont go and ever watch us, constantly seem to scapegoat Williamson?

He may be pretty poor but he is no downgrade on Guthrie or Akpan, at least he sometimes can make a successful pass, which is foreign to Akpan in particular.

[yankfan]

This is all a cumulation of bowyer, it will probably take years to get a squad good enough to challenge for promotion

I would say this is all cumulation of venkys. GB had to bring in cast offs on free transfers. When you are restricted to building a team with limited abilities, you have to carefully pick the players that have strengths suited to the team tactics. When you change managers mid season with limited player skills it's never going to prove successful. Our issue now is we have one season of parachute payments left. When those are gone we will have a mediocre squad at best unless we win promotion next year. If FPP us indeed lifted in January, the next 18 months are probably the most important 18 months in the history of the club. Getting this window wrong could prove disastrous, so PL better know what he's doing.

[Tallrover]

I would say this is all cumulation of venkys. GB had to bring in cast offs on free transfers. When you are restricted to building a team with limited abilities, you have to carefully pick the players that have strengths suited to the team tactics. When you change managers mid season with limited player skills it's never going to prove successful. Our issue now is we have one season of parachute payments left. When those are gone we will have a mediocre squad at best unless we win promotion next year. If FPP us indeed lifted in January, the next 18 months are probably the most important 18 months in the history of the club. Getting this window wrong could prove disastrous, so PL better know what he's doing.

I would say this is all cumulation of venkys. GB had to bring in cast offs on free transfers. When you are restricted to building a team with limited abilities, you have to carefully pick the players that have strengths suited to the team tactics. When you change managers mid season with limited player skills it's never going to prove successful. Our issue now is we have one season of parachute payments left. When those are gone we will have a mediocre squad at best unless we win promotion next year. If FPP us indeed lifted in January, the next 18 months are probably the most important 18 months in the history of the club. Getting this window wrong could prove disastrous, so PL better know what he's doing.

Don't know what I just did...

I was going to say 'no pressure there then'...

[Claytons Left Boot]

Why do people, especially those who dont go and ever watch us, constantly seem to scapegoat Williamson?

Williamson is no scapegoat. If you read back through the posts, for some considerable time, the majority on here are saying the whole squad, apart from three or four, is a big bag of sh!te.

[yankfan]

Don't know what I just did...

I was going to say 'no pressure there then'...

GB kept us from going to league 1 and was able to put together a decent squad that fit his style. Under FPP, we shouldn't have expected promotion, we didn't have the squad in terms of numbers or ability for it. 2 seasons ago when we made the play off push, we had a squad with 3 healthy backs. Everyone taking shots at GB really needs to look at what he did for the club. He stopped the free fall, settled the Sh!t with administration, and did some great business to help us get to the doorstep of shedding FPP. Gested, Canairy coming in on frees and going out for millions have helped our books. All while getting the contracts off the books of the likes of Murphy, Robo, etc. The man should be praised for what he did under the circumstances. As for the next 18 months, if it wasn't for GB, we wouldn't even have the opportunity to get back to the premier league before the parachute payments run out.

[DE.]

GB kept us from going to league 1 and was able to put together a decent squad that fit his style. Under FPP, we shouldn't have expected promotion, we didn't have the squad in terms of numbers or ability for it. 2 seasons ago when we made the play off push, we had a squad with 3 healthy backs. Everyone taking shots at GB really needs to look at what he did for the club. He stopped the free fall, settled the Sh!t with administration, and did some great business to help us get to the doorstep of shedding FPP. Gested, Canairy coming in on frees and going out for millions have helped our books. All while getting the contracts off the books of the likes of Murphy, Robo, etc. The man should be praised for what he did under the circumstances. As for the next 18 months, if it wasn't for GB, we wouldn't even have the opportunity to get back to the premier league before the parachute payments run out.

Bloody hell. You're giving him a ton of credit for things he had little to no hand in. Whether you realise it or not, you're praising Venky's a lot more in this post than GB.

As far as Bowyer is concerned, a poster a few weeks ago summed it up perfectly: Stabilised, Stagnated, Sunk.

He had a decent first 18 months, but things unraveled from there. He's gone now, time to move on.

[JBiz]

From rovers website;

"I thought it was a close open game, there wasn't too many clear cut chances," he told Rovers PlayerHD.

"We've got to get through this little period of time of difficulty, we will do it but we've got to do it quickly.

"We've got to come through this difficult moment and take the criticism that comes our way and we've got to turn it around.

"Chances were there today, our decision making in the final third was really poor, it should have been a lot better than what it was.

"We got in some good areas to make things count, we have to keep working hard at training and that's what we'll do.

"I saw the first penalty shout and I've watched it on the tape as well, he's pulled Hope's arm, how he's not picked that up I don't know.

"The second one was blatant, we just aren't getting the rub of the green at the minute."

I'm not one to judge a manager on comments- what do others make of these?

[yankfan]

Bloody hell. You're giving him a ton of credit for things he had little to no hand in. Whether you realise it or not, you're praising Venky's a lot more in this post than GB.

As far as Bowyer is concerned, a poster a few weeks ago summed it up perfectly: Stabilised, Stagnated, Sunk.

He had a decent first 18 months, but things unraveled from there. He's gone now, time to move on.

You think venkys made those personnel decision? They chose the players brought in? My point is the current squad was chosen by a manager who had to select from cast a ways and that means choosing flawed players who have areas where they can contribute in a system. When you change managers midway and change style the flaws of the players are further exposed. PL is not going to be able to replace this entire squad in the transfer window and we only have a limited time before a big portion of the club's revenue is lost.

[K-Hod]

From rovers website;

"I thought it was a close open game, there wasn't too many clear cut chances," he told Rovers PlayerHD.

"We've got to get through this little period of time of difficulty, we will do it but we've got to do it quickly.

"We've got to come through this difficult moment and take the criticism that comes our way and we've got to turn it around.

"Chances were there today, our decision making in the final third was really poor, it should have been a lot better than what it was.

"We got in some good areas to make things count, we have to keep working hard at training and that's what we'll do.

"I saw the first penalty shout and I've watched it on the tape as well, he's pulled Hope's arm, how he's not picked that up I don't know.

"The second one was blatant, we just aren't getting the rub of the green at the minute."

I'm not one to judge a manager on comments- what do others make of these?

I never care about interviews, it's just about what happens on the pitch which matters.

I doubt he says the same things to the press that he does to the players....

[JBiz]

I doubt he says the same things to the press that he does to the players....

Captain obvious

I know many on here like to dissect what the manager says and interpret their personality and ability from snippets - I prefer to do that based on performances. Unfortunately since half time vs Forest, we've not been good enough.

Imagine the opening 8 games hadn't included Preston, Bristol, Rotherham and Bolton..

[Stuart]

Bloody hell. You're giving him a ton of credit for things he had little to no hand in. Whether you realise it or not, you're praising Venky's a lot more in this post than GB.

As far as Bowyer is concerned, a poster a few weeks ago summed it up perfectly: Stabilised, Stagnated, Sunk.

He had a decent first 18 months, but things unraveled from there. He's gone now, time to move on.

Another revisionist, DE!

You'd think Bowyer was under an embargo throughout his time at Rovers. With Blackman, Judge and others out there, it could easily be said that his ability to spot a player was netted off by his ability to miss one. Very much luck of the draw.

The idea that he was responsible for stability is also a fallacy. He inherited stability. What he brought back was some of our dignity but he was given plenty of time and allowed to fail. For me, whomever took over advising Venkys brought stability.

[Darwen Rover 007]

I was over the moon when we got Lambert... But.. A managers job is to improve what he's got whilst working on a long term strategy...

As it stands he's not improved what he's got; I thought he had but he hasn't...

The buck starts with the manager; from motivation of the the players to moving them on. It's that's simple.

That said; I'm still hopeful long term he's going to do a good job for us.

This month is going to a huge indicator of what he's about.

[Ricky]

I'm not going to slate Lambert as he clearly needs time and needs to build a team. He'll need this window and the summer to hopefully build a team that can make a promotion push. At present I'd be looking at keeping Rhodes, Conway....... And now I'm struggling.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Individually each of those three results wouldn't be too bad. None of them were easy games, even Bolton considering it was a Derby match. I had Radio Manchester on today and the Bolton game was on. They started like a house in fire and could have been a couple of goals up early on. Hudds couldn't get out of their own half. I was surprised to see the final score but don't take your chances and that's what happens.

Put the three together and it's a bad run of form. We desperately need some new blood in soon. Some guys who'll fight for the shirt.

Who was it said - " if you put all the players in a big sack and walloped with a stick you wouldn't hit an innocent player " ? That's how I feel now.