Let's Talk Tyrhys Dolan

[MarkBRFC]

When he goes, I hope it's abroad so this lot don't get a penny for him.

[47er]

3 hours ago, Wheelton Blue said:

Dolan leaving is the least of our problems on the contract front.
I'm more worried about Tronstad, Travis, Brittain, Baath.

No point distinguishing between them on talent. Venkys won't. We'll lose 4 of them, Baath might stay.

He'd be the cheapest of those 5.

Edited Tuesday at 10:47 by 47er

[AndyB]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

Why are we making our final contract offer "shortly." His contract has 2 months left, its just a token gesture.

Because if he stays in the UK, any compensation we get is part based on the contract we've offered him and the club he moves to has given him

[...]

One more year one more year I prayyyyy

[rog of the rovers]

Lets say Tyrhys and his agent go to the club and say

"I want the money that Emmanuel Dennis is on (reported 20k a week) and a five year contract, with a Premier League release clause" circa £1m a year or £5.2m over the deal.

Do you commit to him being your 'top man/top earner' til 2030?

I don't know what I'd do to be honest, probably err on the side of caution and say no, but would love to hear the consensus. 

Edited Tuesday at 08:58 by rog of the rovers

[47er]

1 minute ago, rog of the rovers said:

Lets say Tyrhys and his agent go to the club and say

"I want the money that Emmanuel Dennis is on (reported 20k a week) and a five year contract, with a Premier League release clause" 

Do you commit to him being your 'top man/top earner' for til 2030?

I don't know what I'd do to be honest, probably err on the side of caution and say no, but would love to hear the consensus. 

I wouldn't go that far and I don't believe anyone will offer him that deal.

But he's reputedly on £8000 a week and he's clearly going to get more than that somewhere else.

We should at least match it.

[JHRover]

58 minutes ago, 47er said:

No point distinguishing between them on talent. Venkys won't. We'll lose 4 of them, Baath might stay.

He'd be the cheapest of those 4.

Contract length is another important issue. Batth will be more than happy to sign for an extra 12 months and will probably be prepared to wait through much of the summer for Rovers to get around to sorting it.

Remember that JDT wanted him after he left Sunderland and it dragged on all summer long because 'they' wouldn't sanction the 2 year deal he was reportedly after. In the end he went to Norwich for a year and then eventually we got him on board last summer when a 1 year deal was possible. 

Travis, Tronstad, Brittain, Carter and Hyam (and Dolan but he's already gone) are all quite rightly going to want and expect 3-4 years of commitment. That's not unreasonable or unfair. It is par for the course for players who have proven themselves to be good Championship players and have worked hard for this club. 

Unfortunately this disgraceful regime is constantly 'on the take' be that from supporters, staff or players. They are of the mindset that everyone owes them sacrifice and commitment but they offer very little by return. I suspect there will be £25k a week of wages tied up between Travis, Tronstad, Hyam and Brittain.

The corner shop operators will be eyeing another round of cuts to qualify for their bonuses and will fancy replacing those four with a couple of academy lads and then a couple of 12 month loans/last contracts at £5k a week. All of a sudden you've 'saved' £15k a week on wages, made no commitments beyond the next 12 months and provided you survive in the Championship no harm done. 

That's their mentality and one I cannot accept. 

[47er]

1 hour ago, JHRover said:

Contract length is another important issue. Batth will be more than happy to sign for an extra 12 months and will probably be prepared to wait through much of the summer for Rovers to get around to sorting it.

Remember that JDT wanted him after he left Sunderland and it dragged on all summer long because 'they' wouldn't sanction the 2 year deal he was reportedly after. In the end he went to Norwich for a year and then eventually we got him on board last summer when a 1 year deal was possible. 

Travis, Tronstad, Brittain, Carter and Hyam (and Dolan but he's already gone) are all quite rightly going to want and expect 3-4 years of commitment. That's not unreasonable or unfair. It is par for the course for players who have proven themselves to be good Championship players and have worked hard for this club. 

Unfortunately this disgraceful regime is constantly 'on the take' be that from supporters, staff or players. They are of the mindset that everyone owes them sacrifice and commitment but they offer very little by return. I suspect there will be £25k a week of wages tied up between Travis, Tronstad, Hyam and Brittain.

The corner shop operators will be eyeing another round of cuts to qualify for their bonuses and will fancy replacing those four with a couple of academy lads and then a couple of 12 month loans/last contracts at £5k a week. All of a sudden you've 'saved' £15k a week on wages, made no commitments beyond the next 12 months and provided you survive in the Championship no harm done. 

That's their mentality and one I cannot accept. 

That's the truth that so many Rovers fans cannot see.

[Lancaster Rover]

I think Travis, Tronstad, Brittain and Hyam will be on closer to £40k combined than £25k

[Torgeir]

He'll probably go abroad and then get loaned or sold back to England within a year. Easy money.

[joey_big_nose]

2 hours ago, 47er said:

I wouldn't go that far and I don't believe anyone will offer him that deal.

But he's reputedly on £8000 a week and he's clearly going to get more than that somewhere else.

We should at least match it.

I doubt we can match the highest bidder who now comes along... 

As soon as he didnt sign 18 months ago we were buggered. Our main leverage is an early renewal so the player be tempted by a immediate significant bump in wages and more job security. Once their past 18 months holding on till the end of their contract gets more more attractive.

That we didnt tie someone like Dolan down who is young, has obvious potential, rarely injured, already reasonable stats and we got for nothing from the PNE academy is just completely and utterly stupid.

[47er]

11 minutes ago, joey_big_nose said:

I doubt we can match the highest bidder who now comes along... 

As soon as he didnt sign 18 months ago we were buggered. Our main leverage is an early renewal so the player be tempted by a immediate significant bump in wages and more job security. Once their past 18 months holding on till the end of their contract gets more more attractive.

That we didnt tie someone like Dolan down who is young, has obvious potential, rarely injured, already reasonable stats and we got for nothing from the PNE academy is just completely and utterly stupid.

Well its obviously in the Plan.

Section A para 1) "ensure all good players are locked in contract talks for years while their contract winds down so they go somewhere else."

[lraC]

4 hours ago, Mercer said:

As you will know it's all relative dependent upon the size and nature of the beast.

Take Tesco and the front-loading of their income some 10 years ago - not the greatest advert for PwC after that one!  

With a £20m+ turnover and wages/operating expenses approaching £40m (not sure where and when the cost cutting kicks-in!!!) I would think there is ample scope for some 'creative accounting' at Rovers.

Doesn't matter whether the organisation is huge, big or small, I think there are always tunes to be played with the numbers and experience tells me external auditors can be led something of a merry dance!

I would very happily do due diligence on Rovers foc.

I fully agree and this always leads me back to the same question.

Why have they never considered selling the club, or even listening to offers?

I have my theory on that one and would be surprised if they would really want anyone carrying out a deep dive into the financial mechanics of the business. 

The no smoke without fire analogy always comes to mind too and if the are being investigate on their own count by ED then, that tells me that there is plenty of smoke, blowing around. 

[lraC]

2 hours ago, 47er said:

I wouldn't go that far and I don't believe anyone will offer him that deal.

But he's reputedly on £8000 a week and he's clearly going to get more than that somewhere else.

We should at least match it.

I honestly don't think he is worth much more than that, to be honest and can imagine a signing on fee and a similar wage, or slightly ,more, is likely to tempt him to move.

Perhaps a fee similar to a signing on fee available elsewhere and £10k per week, is the limit and a take it or leave it offer.

[wilsdenrover]

1 hour ago, Torgeir said:

He'll probably go abroad and then get loaned or sold back to England within a year. Easy money.

Can’t come back to England for a least a year. 

[chaddyrovers]

11 hours ago, rog of the rovers said:

Lets say Tyrhys and his agent go to the club and say

"I want the money that Emmanuel Dennis is on (reported 20k a week) and a five year contract, with a Premier League release clause" circa £1m a year or £5.2m over the deal.

Do you commit to him being your 'top man/top earner' til 2030?

I don't know what I'd do to be honest, probably err on the side of caution and say no, but would love to hear the consensus. 

Dolan and his agent will see what offers he is getting and make the decision based on what they want. 

I said previously I would offered him 15k a week

[simongarnerisgod]

the question is not about losing dolan,but who do you replace him effectively,he`s inconsistent yes,but he puts an almighty shift in every game

[RevidgeBlue]

Id imagine we'll lose Dolan who has scored seven goals this season and renew the contract of Hedges who's scored seven in four seasons at the Club. The wrong decision in both instances.

To the oft repeated tune of "We did all we could".

[Ghost7]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Dolan and his agent will see what offers he is getting and make the decision based on what they want. 

I said previously I would offered him 15k a week

 

I wouldn't be offering him that.

Dolan needs a contract incentivised by goals and assists. Ability wise his basic wage should be £10,000 per week, £12,000 at a push max. Anything above that is ridiculous IMO and I'd let him go.

A flurry at the end of the season doesn't make up for a year of frustration... he has work to do.

[RevidgeBlue]

24 minutes ago, Ghost7 said:

 

I wouldn't be offering him that.

Dolan needs a contract incentivised by goals and assists. Ability wise his basic wage should be £10,000 per week, £12,000 at a push max. Anything above that is ridiculous IMO and I'd let him go.

A flurry at the end of the season doesn't make up for a year of frustration... he has work to do.

Discounting Cantwell who is reportedly on £25 k p.w. and Dennis who is reportedly on £20k p.w. and who have both imo been massive disappointments, I think Dolan should be put roughly in line with the rest of our other top earners like Brittain, Travis, Tronstad and Hyam.

He won't be of course, we'll be offering him thruppence ha'penny but at Championship level I doubt we'll get anyone any better or even as good.

If the very unlikely event we did go up, he's not Premier League standard and that would be the only reason I'd be showing reticense in getting him tied down to a new deal but of course that won't be the real reason.

[roversfan99]

I have not seen any suggestion that Cantwell is on anything like £25k a week.

The probability of promotion is at most 5% so we cant be holding off on that anyway although it should have been sorted far earlier. But even if we got promoted, the natural step would be to go and buy players for the starting 11 and we could still have Dolan as part of the squad knowing that if we came back down which would be highly likely, he is a useful asset back at this level.

[Fraserkirky]

Was absolutely steaming pish until mid March. I’m not having it.
Will sign for a “bigger club” and will never be seen again, same as usual. Replaceable in my opinion, would have been nice to get some money for him, but I didn’t see any uproar until recently about him not getting a new contract. Good lad, tries hard, wish him well.

[Ossydave]

He's all but signed for Derby if you pay attention to their fans and in fairness based on what I've seen of them - he'd probably be their star player, they'd pay him well.

I think he'd much rather stay here, he's clearly a family man and his sister often accompanies him on match days. I guess Derby isn't that far though at the end of the day.

He's been great recently, now - is that putting himself in the shop window OR has VI got a tune out of him that's often been lacking in games this season? He speaks highly of Eustace but he wasn't great in a large percentage of his games here.

Hedges or Dolan would be an absolute no brained if it came down to that choice (to the fans anyway).

[arbitro]

10 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Dolan and his agent will see what offers he is getting and make the decision based on what they want. 

I said previously I would offered him 15k a week

Is that £15k a basic wage or the maximum he can earn including bonuses?

It's not as simple as plucking a figure out of the air as contracts are complex and can be onerous.

With bonuses £15k could easily become £20k.

[Mattyblue]

‘Steaming pish till March’ for a still 23 year old who was a regular for team around the top 6.

He’s inconsistent… like most in this league, it’s why he plays (and will continue to play at this level).

Like I said, lack of understanding on what makes a Championship player.