v Stoke City (h) - 11/02/2024

[Roverthechimp]

59 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Tomasson wasnt doing anything wrong in sticking to the passing out from the back and sticking to his principles. Thats how we should be playing, apparently. Yet a few days later, the new totally different style suited us (not hoofball, although the third yesterday is as much hoofball as youll ever find) and the subs made much more sense.

The king is dead, long live the king.

The main thing for me was that we mixed it up a bit but having Gallagher meant we had a target from goal kicks (going long to SS, Leonard and Moran is a tough sell). 
Most notable was both Pears and the defenders were also more willing to clear and sacrifice possession when needed. 
Probably something that our central defenders have been unhappy with previously when seemingly instructed to always prioritize possession no matter what

[tomphil]

11 minutes ago, sympatheticclaret said:

No, I think VK and the Directors are following the plan ... instead of buying maybe 3 " oven ready " EPL players for c.£70m, we've gone for 10 or so £3-6m younger players keen to develop and learn under Kompany. It was always meant to be a 4-5 year project, and we exceeded expectation last season. It's one of the reasons that VK's position is secure, most of these players would not have come to Turf Moor without his presence ... if he was sacked, any new manager would have a major issue on his hands, simply by not being Vincent Kompany ...

We're definitely improved, but it won't be enough to stay up. I'm still not sure he knows his best team yet, and the major criticism I'm hearing is persevering with Trafford in goal, rather than recalling Muric ... 

That's similar talk to how we were pacified under Mowbray after lge 1 promotion when he was investing in Armstrong, Brereton and Gallagher.  On a journey to build a team and add value.

Then we had JDT and we were told it's better to develop our own and smart small investments to grow a sustainable Prem team.

Tomorrow never comes though they'll get sold when you go down and the project will start again !

[joey_big_nose]

7 hours ago, tomphil said:

A point worth noting with the change of tactics yesterday we didn't really miss Adam.

Can guarantee if JDT was still here we'd have played the same, lost and bemoaned the missing presence of the 'on the turn' specialist.

I hope Eustace doesn't turn us just into a long ball side we just need to add the ability to mix it up and vastly improve set pieces at both ends.  

As for GB i assume his focus now will be on finding Leo and Tel some football somewhere else in a few months time.  I still think he'll be off  in summer but personally i'd prefer to see the DoF model carry on for enough time to give it a chance with a head coach who can maybe identify the basics first and build from there.

Yesterday was a start but lets not expect miracles.

Yes agreed. We shouldn't put everything that JDT did in the bin... In the right circumstances its effective.

Id like us to have a deep 352 counter attack as our default (to minimise our absolute Achilles heel of conceding early) but able to change to a 4231 possession game as an alternative when the original setup isn't working.

Edited February 11 by joey_big_nose

[aletheia]

1 hour ago, Dan said:

I tell you what; if I had a pound for every time I’ve seen the word ‘pragmatic’ the last few days, I’d be on to a good earner 😂

The new 'project'? 🙂

[Exiled_Rover]

1 hour ago, sympatheticclaret said:

No, I think VK and the Directors are following the plan ... instead of buying maybe 3 " oven ready " EPL players for c.£70m, we've gone for 10 or so £3-6m younger players keen to develop and learn under Kompany. It was always meant to be a 4-5 year project, and we exceeded expectation last season. It's one of the reasons that VK's position is secure, most of these players would not have come to Turf Moor without his presence ... if he was sacked, any new manager would have a major issue on his hands, simply by not being Vincent Kompany ...

We're definitely improved, but it won't be enough to stay up. I'm still not sure he knows his best team yet, and the major criticism I'm hearing is persevering with Trafford in goal, rather than recalling Muric ... 

You realise they've spent £110m this summer, right?

[tomphil]

7 minutes ago, joey_big_nose said:

Yes agreed. We shouldn't put everything that JDT did in the bin... In the right circumstances its effective.

Id like us to have a deep 352 counter attack as our default (to minimise our absolute Achilles heel of conceding early) but able to change to a 4231 possession game as an alternative when the original setup isn't working.

Yes the JDT style should stand them in good stead if they keep working on certain principles of it.  

Looking at Burnley in the Champ they retained a lot of the Dyche era stuff but Kompany added some flair, counter attacking and pace. Kind of like the flip of what we need to do and obviously we are way off that level without investment it's still a good blueprint to follow.

[USABlue]

21 hours ago, ABBEY said:

You riversiders aint been same since the Teddy Bear stopped

Loved the tossing of the teddy,, always anded up destroyed, quickly if donned in Claret, got burned too most likely.

[Norbert Rassragr]

Fancy passing out the back is great if you have defenders and a goalie like Liverpool or Man City do, but we don't have players half as good. Keep it basic and solid, and get the midfield and forwards to do the fancy stuff.

[ageoftherover]

Chisene's touch in the lead up to the first goal was quietly sublime.

[arbitro]

2 hours ago, ageoftherover said:

Chisene's touch in the lead up to the first goal was quietly sublime.

As was Rankin-Costello's. He didn't even lift his head up as he had a picture of what was outside him. With one touch he guided the ball perfectly into Brittain's path.

[USABlue]

11 hours ago, Norbert Rassragr said:

Fancy passing out the back is great if you have defenders and a goalie like Liverpool or Man City do, but we don't have players half as good. Keep it basic and solid, and get the midfield and forwards to do the fancy stuff.

I was shocked as the first time Prars got the ball he booted it long I was like whuuut?  Have not seen that in forever   Worked to perfection for the goal, lil nod on and Dolan on to it like a flash and a very good finish.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

23 hours ago, sympatheticclaret said:

Yes, how different might history have been if Bobby Charlton had jogged over to the touch line and said ...     " Nah, I'm fine Alf, fresh as a daisy ! " 

Really pleased for you lot, by the way .. a great way to end a week during which the owners and managers of  your great Club have done their best to make it the laughing stock of English Football ... 🙄 

Charlton got subbed because he’d just let Franz Beckenbauer run away from him from the half way line to score the first goal. His legs had gone.  Don’t fall for the myth we were winning 2-0 when Charlton got subbed, we weren’t, we’d just gone to 2-1 when he got the shepherds crook.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

22 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

well. Looks to have something about him. Big lad with some pace/athleticism about him. 

agreed there. Garrett for JRC. O'Riordan for Hedges with him playing CB and Moving Chrisene into the left wing back role where Hedges were playing. Then changing the front 3 with like for like players

We didn't played Hoofball but if anything, less risk approach football, more pragmatic approach. It also confused Stoke who didn't expect this approach from us,  

Regarding the subs, that’s how I saw it. Made sense to me.

[Paul Mani]

On 11/02/2024 at 08:01, KentExile said:

There isn't any link there either

Yes all three were at Coventry at one point or another, but none of them were there at the same time as any of the others.

Eustace was at Coventry 1996 - 2003 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Eustace

Fleck was there from 2012 - 2016 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Fleck_(footballer)

McFadzean was there from 2019 until we signed him the other week https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyle_McFadzean

* Waggott was there from 2013 - 2015, which means he never signed or sold any of these people, and his only overlap was with Fleck, who was already there when Waggott rocked up, and was still there when he resigned 2 years later https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/officers/FKc4o-maeIjThZF3QPcISHHYkS4/appointments

 

I really do not see it as any kind of stretch to think that all three of those were the work of Broughton (seeing as that is his job),  Based on the comments of both JDT, & Broughton himself about how the squad would benefit from more experience

GB - https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/23857362.gregg-broughton-lack-experience-blackburn-rovers/

JDT - https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/24023305.tomasson-discusses-happiness-blackburn-rovers/

 

I am not suggesting you are against JDT, GB, or anyone else, I just think that on the basis of all evidence, that your hunch (which you seem to have formed on the basis that 2 new players, our new head coach, and Waggott were all at Coventry at one time over the past 30 years) is wrong.

 

This didn’t age well mate 🙈🤣🤣👍🏼

[roversfan99]

Whilst it may be more likely that it was Waggott at least behind the Eustace appointment. A detailed well researched post highlighting a considerable lack of crossover in their times at Coventry is still valid in ruling out the lazy link that they are assumed to have met there.