Valérien Ismaël: Blackburn Rovers Head Coach

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

4 hours ago, 47er said:

Venkys taking us down, Ismael is just the useful complicit idiot.

 

Edited Wednesday at 12:22 by SIMON GARNERS 194

[RevidgeBlue]

29 minutes ago, Hasta said:

I don't disagree. At the minute he still appears to have kudos with the fan base so his words are being taken at face value rather than ridiculed. He is a good platform for the club to spin their narrative. I doubt we will start seeing the frustration in interviews we saw from the previous managers.

I really hope I'm wrong because in the past 10 years we've always felt like there has been some good fighting a lost cause within the club and usually it has been the manager.

100%.

Whilst JDT was constantly calling out the powers that be, you felt there was some hope despite the ownership.

Eustace was slightly more professional as it were in the sense that he didn't make his dissatisfaction so public. But you could tell he wasn't happy, Towards the end you could hear the optimism draining out of him with every interview.

This guy gives the impression all is well and he's 100 % on board. That may change of course but I doubt it.

[RevidgeBlue]

So in VI 's 14 competitive matches so far.........

We've conceded the opening goal inside the first 20 mins 8 times.

Of those eight,  4 of them were actually inside the first 10 mins.

Out of those four where we conceded inside the first 10 mins, we actually conceded a second goal inside the opening 10 mins on 3 out of the 4 occasions!!!

Surely these figures are completely unacceptable no matter how good or bad we think the players are or whatever level you happen to be playing at.

They smack of a lack of organisation, lack of concentration from the first whistle and an  unwillingness to put it all on the line for this manager.

Edited Wednesday at 14:24 by RevidgeBlue

[Tomphil2]

It certainly indicates a lack of high intensity football.

[roverandout]

If we go on losing run then his future needs to be called into question 

[bigbrandjohn]

What saves him is that henis a bag of laughs

[Blow-in]

17 hours ago, SuperBrfc said:

He won't be here for long. I think most of us can see where this is heading. He looked aghast on the touchline towards the end tonight. I think he has been sold an illusion just like Lambert, JDT and Eustace were.

In terms of actual management, he showed promise at the back end of last season, but he has just seen his squad dismantled by a numbers man with something else in mind.

It must be deflating seeing a squad you were happy with, seeing players who you wanted to stay on and who weren't difficult to keep hold of, let go and be replaced by random shite.

I think Ismael realises he's on to a loser. In my opinion, he will be gone before the Jan window when he hears there will be little activity.

I'm fully expecting it. Like I said earlier, IMO, all of these managers are part of a 'normal' camp that wants to win, but there appears to be an opposing camp that doesn't seem arsed about that, and at times looks like it doesn't want to. That camp is the root of all our problems, IMO.

Why would he leave a championship club who cannot afford to sack him where he will be under no pressure and has a 3 year contract. To take a chance with another at best relegation candidate where he will quite likely get sacked in 6 months.

 

Only way this guy leaves voluntarily is if Rovers stop paying wages. I think he will continue to half arse it till the end of contract. I cannot see the fans turning on him.

[DeeCee]

26 minutes ago, Blow-in said:

Why would he leave a championship club who cannot afford to sack him where he will be under no pressure and has a 3 year contract. To take a chance with another at best relegation candidate where he will quite likely get sacked in 6 months.

 

Only way this guy leaves voluntarily is if Rovers stop paying wages. I think he will continue to half arse it till the end of contract. I cannot see the fans turning on him.

I can see the fans turning on him (low hanging fruit). The problem is above him and he knows it. He'll continue picking up his wages for as long as he can. Another grifter.

[Upside Down]

Fair do's to him. He was unemployed and he's picked up a job with 3.5 years guaranteed wages. 

Results don't matter, if he does well he's worked an absolute miracle and if he doesn't then can he really be blamed completely? 

He's irrelevant. We could have Ancelotti in charge and it wouldn't make any difference. The club has been as clear as they can be, there is no ambition to get promoted back into the Premier League. 

I honestly don't care anymore. They've never seen a penny of my money and they never will. This situation is not unique to Rovers either, there needs to be fundamental changes to the way football clubs are owned. Until that is changed there will just be more of the same. 

Fuck it. Roll on league one.

[davulsukur]

15 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

So in VI 's 14 competitive matches so far.........

We've conceded the opening goal inside the first 20 mins 8 times.

Of those eight,  4 of them were actually inside the first 10 mins.

Out of those four where we conceded inside the first 10 mins, we actually conceded a second goal inside the opening 10 mins on 3 out of the 4 occasions!!!

Surely these figures are completely unacceptable no matter how good or bad we think the players are or whatever level you happen to be playing at.

They smack of a lack of organisation, lack of concentration from the first whistle and an  unwillingness to put it all on the line for this manager.

He's a poor manager. People seem to like him because "he's honest" in his interviews 🤷‍♂️

A couple of people suggesting to me on Twitter that he's better than Eustace also. Really don't get it.

Those stats are incredibly damning.

Edited Thursday at 05:49 by davulsukur

[Mattyblue]

On what possible metric is he ‘better than Eustace’… oh yeah, Barnsley, five years ago.

[joey_big_nose]

It's too early really to say whether he is any good or not. He's had one really bad run and one really good one last season.... And as has been pointed out over the summer he's basically had 70% of the experienced players taken out of the squad and replaced by inexperienced players. So I think I'll be waiting to see how the dust settles over a few months before forming a view.

What is clear is if he did manage the incredible and get us up around the playoffs like JDT and Eustace it will be an even more impressive effort! Which also would probably mean he would get a new job on or around the 9th of February.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

21 hours ago, roverandout said:

If we go on losing run then his future needs to be called into question 

....And then another out of work patsy takes the Venky coin and the Circus rolls on.

[roverandout]

Just now, SIMON GARNERS 194 said:

....And then another out of work patsy takes the Venky coin and the Circus rolls on.

A never ending vicious circle

[Wing Wizard Windy Miller]

Defeat today was on the manager.  

No need to pack the box like that.  We weren't losing the game.  

So either he's told the players to pack the box or the players, lacking championship experience, have done it themselves - in which case he should have been shouting them back. 

[roversfan99]

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/25395668.blackburn-rovers-boss-terrible-mistakes-vs-birmingham/

Rarely do you see a manager blame not just the players but even the coaching staff.

A leader that seems very happy to blame others and throw them under the bus.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

13 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/25395668.blackburn-rovers-boss-terrible-mistakes-vs-birmingham/

Rarely do you see a manager blame not just the players but even the coaching staff.

A leader that seems very happy to blame others and throw them under the bus.

What is this “ throwing people under the bus “ bollocks. Are we men or are we mice ? We’re aren’t school kids, people made mistakes today and they need to be told they made mistakes, and I for one need to know that they have been told.  If I made a mistake at work I got told in no uncertain terms and the whole shop knew about it.

It’s character building, you either sink or swim.

Edited 3 hours ago by Tyrone Shoelaces

[simongarnerisgod]

im`e certain val did`nt take the job knowing that in his 2nd season  the board would sell his best players from under him and buy him a load of duds (miller and mcloughlin excepted) he`s just another one who`s been lied to and sold a dodgy deal

[Hasta]

1 minute ago, simongarnerisgod said:

im`e certain val did`nt take the job knowing that in his 2nd season  the board would sell his best players from under him and buy him a load of duds (miller and mcloughlin excepted) he`s just another one who`s been lied to and sold a dodgy deal

You see that’s where I struggle.

Im not 100% certain he didn’t know.

[roversfan99]

5 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

What is this “ throwing people under the bus “ bollocks. Are we men or are we mice ? We’re aren’t school kids, people made mistakes today and they need to be told they made mistakes, and I for one need to know that they have been told.  If I made a mistake at work I got told in no uncertain terms and the whole shop new about it.

It’s character building, you either sink or swim.

Why is he blaming coach staff for mistakes around set pieces? He is the one that is responsible for making final decisions.

[Hasta]

Why isn’t he saying I hope we bring more quality in, rather than saying we need just 1 more player, plus replacements if any leave.
Because he’s working to a script.

Edited 2 hours ago by Hasta

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 minute ago, Hasta said:

You see that’s where I struggle.

Im not 100% certain he didn’t know.

Being honest, if he didn’t he’s no one else to blame. A morning on this site would have told him all he needed to know. Having said that he’s got a very long contract. Knowing you can pay the mortgage for a few years makes a hell of a difference to a persons attitude to matters of integrity.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

3 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Why is he blaming coach staff for mistakes around set pieces? He is the one that is responsible for making final decisions.

You trust people working under you to make the correct decisions. That’s why you employ them. If you have a set piece coach and the set piece goes wrong it’s on the set piece coach. If he keeps getting things wrong you fire him.

[simongarnerisgod]

4 minutes ago, Hasta said:

You see that’s where I struggle.

Im not 100% certain he didn’t know.

if he was told in the interview that all his key players were getting sold off next season, the wage budget will be reduced to uncompetetive levels and we are replacing them with 2nd division european players,there is no way he`d have taken the job,i don`t think any manager would have taken it

[Hasta]

6 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said:

if he was told in the interview that all his key players were getting sold off next season, the wage budget will be reduced to uncompetetive levels and we are replacing them with 2nd division european players,there is no way he`d have taken the job,i don`t think any manager would have taken it

What if he had spent nearly 12 months unemployed and not been able to get a job. Then was told he could have a 3.5 year contract at a Championship club in transition, who would have to lose key players this summer to cut the wage budget and would be relying on academy and cheap signings. 
 

Having seen the club was still in the top 6 he may have thought he could still do a decent job at it.

Surely he knows what’s happened to the previous managers.

Edited 3 hours ago by Hasta