2025 Summer Transfer Thread. 😂

[KentExile]

3 hours ago, RoversClitheroe said:

https://eflanalysis.com/transfers/derby-county-and-blackburn-rovers-among-a-host-of-clubs-chasing-magnificent-league-one-star/

 

 

2 hours ago, Tugayisgod said:

Derby and Rovers. Who would've thought it ? 😄

direct cheaper replacement (& downgrade) for Travis or Tronstad

Edited May 11 by KentExile

[Waggy76]

12 hours ago, sharpysharps86 said:

More like 90% of it not done a week before the season starts. The 10% that is done will be the Markanday extra year option 😂

What is 90% of zero ??

Can't see much happening until loans are available , there is no one to sell now above £1.5mill .

When we sold big , we spent next to nothing .

 

Edited May 11 by Waggy76

[RoverCanada]

2 hours ago, Ricky said:

Just checked. They had lost £30.8m of their £39m allowance over the two previous years. Had they not gone up they would have exceeded the £39m.

Were you looking at Ipswich's 2023-24 accounts?

Interestingly, they explicitly set out their FFP calcs in their accounts, which I've never seen in a club's accounts before.

Their headline losses for 2021/22, 2022/23, and 2023/24 were £12.6m, £18.2m, and £39.3m, respectively, so £70.1m total, obviously well above £39m, but, as with all clubs, plenty of costs are netted off for FFP. Over those three years, that includes £4.5m of depreciation (tangible, not player trading), £1.2m of 'related party preference shares' (whatever that's about), £8.7m for 'youth development', £1.2m for community development, £0.8m for women's football, and £2.5m for Covid-related costs.

That brings their losses down to £51.2m. But, crucially, they claim £16.3m of 'promotion costs'.* Such bonuses are always excluded from FFP. Excluding those costs brings their 3-year losses down to £34.9m, so they were fine as of 2023-24 (but probably needed to make ~£6m+ of player sales to stay compliant in 2024-25 if they hadn't been promoted).

*Oddly, no such costs are claimed for promotion from L1 in 22-23. It would be odd if they had zero bonuses due to that, so you can imagine them arguing to net off further costs if they were at risk of a breach.

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For 'fun', using some of those Ipswich Town figures as rough benchmarks (will assume £4m/y for our Academy costs, which I think is what Swiss Ramble ususally assumes. Ipswich only have a Cat 2 Academy, with costs varying from £1.7-3.8m/y), here's what our 'FFP losses' would've been for 2021-22 to 2023-24.

So, yeah, we did lose £29m - the Championship is a financially stupid league - but Venky's probably could've pumped in another ~£25m+ the past few years without breaching FFP.

Edited May 11 by RoverCanada

[Exiled_Rover]

1 hour ago, Forever Blue said:

He’s young with potential so £1m seems reasonable. He was apparently very good in the Championship at Brum under Eustace. 
 

But yeah we didn’t see enough of him to make an judgement either way. 

Wouldn't be surprised if he ends up at Derby.

[Exiled_Rover]

Dolan considering overseas options - does that mess up our expected tribunal fee?

[KentExile]

14 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

Dolan considering overseas options - does that mess up our expected tribunal fee?

Pretty sure that there are also UEFA and/or FIFA guidelines on compensation, but they are not as generous as if he had staying in England, so means a much lower fee yes

Edit - In addition, no compensation is payable if the player moves abroad. However, Training Compensation may be due in accordance with FIFA Regulations

FIFA regulations, - should anyone want to have a look/work it out

Edited May 11 by KentExile

[Lucimo]

3 minutes ago, KentExile said:

Pretty sure that there are also UEFA and/or FIFA guidelines on compensation, but they are not as generous as if he had staying in England, so means a much lower fee yes

And has been discussed its not an issue as any money generated will not affect the transfer budget. So I hope he goes abroad. 

[TugaysMarlboro]

I wouldn't be surprised if Dolan goes abroad. I've thought that English clubs may hold off picking him up knowing there'll be a fee, but not knowing what that fee is.

The compensation could be more than a club would have been willing to pay for him if he was under contract.

If he was an option for a PL club, it's peanuts. But I can't envisage that or any of the clubs dropping down to the Champ next season wanting him - which leaves a small selection of clubs who like us, aren't swimming in cash.

[bluebruce]

2 hours ago, Forever Blue said:

You need to read it again. 

They made a clear distinction between automatic and play off promotion. I was talking about automatic, which they literally said wasn’t possible without parachute payments. Ipswich literally got promoted automatically without parachute payments. Hope that assuages your confusion. 

I don't have any confusion, I read it fine the first time. You're getting overly literal with it. And Ipswich invested enough that they would have failed FFP without promotion, as another poster stated. Venkys simply won't do that. Automatic promotion isn't a conversation we should even bother having here, we have neither the funding nor the competence. Sneaking into the playoffs is the best we can hope for under this outfit.

[DutchRover]

Sanderson I think is a more than solid Championship defender with a solid pedigree. He's strong, fast and combative too, and young enough to have resale value. If we could get him for 500-750k I think it would be a good deal, especially as I don't see us renewing Hyam.

Erhahon is very talented by all accounts, but if we wanted him we should've done it in January when it was cheaper and there was less competition. He'd be a good addition though.

[simongarnerisgod]

if we are recruiting from the lower leagues(nothing wrong with that if the player is young,open to improvement and a potential sell on) when i would`nt mind seeing kwame poku from peterborough here,going to be a list of clubs after him though unfortunately for us

[lraC]

1 hour ago, rigger said:

Marshall was no Burke

Neither was Danny, the ex Watford player 

[MarkBRFC]

Resale value here is pointless under this ownership.

[roversfan99]

We shouldnt sign Sanderson permanently and certainly not for £1m.

And theres no chance that we have 90% of our business done at any point of pre season. Managers always say they want business done early but wont happen especially here when we will be begging for loans late in the window.

[superniko]

1 hour ago, RoverCanada said:

Were you looking at Ipswich's 2023-24 accounts?

Interestingly, they explicitly set out their FFP calcs in their accounts, which I've never seen in a club's accounts before.

Their headline losses for 2021/22, 2022/23, and 2023/24 were £12.6m, £18.2m, and £39.3m, respectively, so £70.1m total, obviously well above £39m, but, as with all clubs, plenty of costs are netted off for FFP. Over those three years, that includes £4.5m of depreciation (tangible, not player trading), £1.2m of 'related party preference shares' (whatever that's about), £8.7m for 'youth development', £1.2m for community development, £0.8m for women's football, and £2.5m for Covid-related costs.

That brings their losses down to £51.2m. But, crucially, they claim £16.3m of 'promotion costs'.* Such bonuses are always excluded from FFP. Excluding those costs brings their 3-year losses down to £34.9m, so they were fine as of 2023-24 (but probably needed to make ~£6m+ of player sales to stay compliant in 2024-25 if they hadn't been promoted).

*Oddly, no such costs are claimed for promotion from L1 in 22-23. It would be odd if they had zero bonuses due to that, so you can imagine them arguing to net off further costs if they were at risk of a breach.

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For 'fun', using some of those Ipswich Town figures as rough benchmarks (will assume £4m/y for our Academy costs, which I think is what Swiss Ramble ususally assumes. Ipswich only have a Cat 2 Academy, with costs varying from £1.7-3.8m/y), here's what our 'FFP losses' would've been for 2021-22 to 2023-24.

So, yeah, we did lose £29m - the Championship is a financially stupid league - but Venky's probably could've pumped in another ~£25m+ the past few years without breaching FFP.

But but but ‘they never refuse a cheque’ and ‘who else would pump £20m a year into us’ or something or other.

Good write up 👍

[chaddyrovers]

We should be looking to get 2 or 3 signings in before pre season like we did 2 years ago especially in the free agent market, loans won't happen until back end of the window and a couple of cash signings in July/August. It will be interesting where we look for players and I think we look at league 1, French, Portuguese and Belgium markets. 

But the priority currently need to be new contracts for Brittain, Batth, Tronstad and Travis right now. 

2 hours ago, lraC said:

Sheffield United had a scout watching Carter recently, but know if they have any intention of bidding for him. 

what are they watching given Carter has been injured for weeks and was only on the bench against Sheffield United? 

2 hours ago, Tugayisgod said:

Derby and Rovers. Who would've thought it ? 😄

He sounds like the box to box midfielder we want 

1 hour ago, Exiled_Rover said:

Dolan considering overseas options - does that mess up our expected tribunal fee?

yes it does, we probably get around 100k but if he wants to go and play overseas then fair play to him

Edited May 11 by chaddyrovers

[davulsukur]

10 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

We should be looking to get 2 or 3 signings in before pre season like we did 2 years ago especially in the free agent market, loans won't happen until back end of the window and a couple of cash signings in July/August. It will be interesting where we look for players and I think we look at league 1, French, Portuguese and Belgium markets. 

But the priority currently need to be new contracts for Brittain, Batth, Tronstad and Travis right now. 

what are they watching given Carter has been injured for weeks and was only on the bench against Sheffield United? 

He sounds like the box to box midfielder we want 

yes it does, we probably get around 100k but if he wants to go and play overseas then fair play to him

I agree about the contracts but it looks like they are all on holiday now, so those will have to wait.

[Mattyblue]

Would anybody have any particular issue if Carter went? 26 a few months into next season and he’s hasn’t really kicked on (injuries haven’t helped), but to me decent centre halves can be found at this level (as we’ve seen).

Two years left, so he can for me if any of ‘the seniors’ are to be flogged.

[chaddyrovers]

2 minutes ago, davulsukur said:

I agree about the contracts but it looks like they are all on holiday now, so those will have to wait.

Players have agents and negotiations can happened now. Players aren't negotiating contracts anymore. 

 

[Tom]

1 hour ago, TugaysMarlboro said:

I wouldn't be surprised if Dolan goes abroad. I've thought that English clubs may hold off picking him up knowing there'll be a fee, but not knowing what that fee is.

The compensation could be more than a club would have been willing to pay for him if he was under contract.

If he was an option for a PL club, it's peanuts. But I can't envisage that or any of the clubs dropping down to the Champ next season wanting him - which leaves a small selection of clubs who like us, aren't swimming in cash.

Strikes me as someone that could end up at one of the Old Firm clubs, gets a few games in Europe a season 

[KentExile]

7 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

Would anybody have any particular issue if Carter went? 26 a few months into next season and he’s hasn’t really kicked on (injuries haven’t helped), but to me decent centre halves can be found at this level (as we’ve seen).

Two years left, so he can for me if any of ‘the seniors’ are to be flogged.

If sales had any impact on budget (but they don't) , then a sale now or in January might make sense.

Another option if Rovers were a normal club (but we are not) would be taking advantage of his recent injury situation to tie him down to a longer contract on lower terms than we may normally expect, (presuming any interest in him has cooled whilst he has been unavailable) with the aim of selling him on in his prime

However, Rovers under Venkys will presumably take option 3, of letting his contract expire in 2 years time

Edited May 11 by KentExile

[davulsukur]

4 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Players have agents and negotiations can happened now. Players aren't negotiating contracts anymore. 

 

Yes, I appreciate that but it won't be finalised without the player. 

[lraC]

27 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

We should be looking to get 2 or 3 signings in before pre season like we did 2 years ago especially in the free agent market, loans won't happen until back end of the window and a couple of cash signings in July/August. It will be interesting where we look for players and I think we look at league 1, French, Portuguese and Belgium markets. 

But the priority currently need to be new contracts for Brittain, Batth, Tronstad and Travis right now. 

what are they watching given Carter has been injured for weeks and was only on the bench against Sheffield United? 

He sounds like the box to box midfielder we want 

yes it does, we probably get around 100k but if he wants to go and play overseas then fair play to him

He was scouted at the home game V Norwich.

[Wegerleswiggle]

Amari Bell a free agent. Would ya? 

[roversfan99]

Obviously not.