England

[oneandycrawford]

6 hours ago, Gav said:

I don't like this German already, what a load of cobblers:

In an interview with ITV Sport, Tuchel said England were missing "the identity, the clarity, the rhythm, the repetition of patterns, the freedom of players, the expression of players, the hunger" to win Euro 2024.

 

I have the utmost respect for Gareth Southgate as a human being. The way he changed the toxic culture around the team and allowed most of the players to display they are decent guys and good role models shouldn't be undervalued. If anyone heard his Dimbleby lecture on the BBC earlier this week then that can only reinforce the need for the good things he brought.

However the evidence of last summer is that maybe it had swung too far the other way and the 'edge' wasn't quite there. The displays were insipid for the most part and the players didn't seem to have any spark or real hunger. One exception was Bellingham but that meant he was trying to do too much a lot of the time. 

I guess time will tell if those displays were all that those players can do or if the change of manager approach will take them to another level.

[roverandout]

4 hours ago, speeeeeeedie said:

What are you mad at? He's right. I watched the games. England were woeful the whole tournament apart from 20 minutes against the Dutch. 

Agreed. Nothing else does. Tuchel has the tactical nous everyone pilloried Southgate for, let's give him a chance.

Agree with everything u say but I would say the first 45 minutes against the dutch

[Exiled_Rover]

I hate watching Kane play CF. He always drops so fucking deep. Why aren't you in the 6 yard box you lumbering oaf. 

[chaddyrovers]

Good to see England's full backs getting forward and a left footed at left back. 

2 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

I hate watching Kane play CF. He always drops so fucking deep. Why aren't you in the 6 yard box you lumbering oaf. 

cos that part of his game and he drags a defender with him allowing Bellingham and Rashford to run in behind. 

I would personally started Rogers and Gordon instead of Rashford and Foden. 

[Exiled_Rover]

10 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Good to see England's full backs getting forward and a left footed at left back. 

cos that part of his game and he drags a defender with him allowing Bellingham and Rashford to run in behind. 

I would personally started Rogers and Gordon instead of Rashford and Foden. 

We look much more dangerous with Watkins at #9 cos he's actually willing and able to run in behind. Kane lumbers around getting in the way. 

[chaddyrovers]

12 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

We look much more dangerous with Watkins at #9 cos he's actually willing and able to run in behind. Kane lumbers around getting in the way. 

Maybe so but I would also start Kane as the 9 with Bellingham and 2 wide players plus full backs looking to run behind. We need pace around him

[Bohinen1983]

Absolute wank, boring. Playing Foden out wide... Why?    Albania still in this against a team That is 

(allegedly) shite...

[philipl]

England are so boring. Pass backwards more often than Forshaw.

[chaddyrovers]

5 minutes ago, Bohinen1983 said:

Absolute wank, boring. Playing Foden out wide... Why?    Albania still in this against a team That is 

(allegedly) shite...

cos Bellingham is playing as the 10

[K-Hod]

Don’t think we’ve been all that in the second half, but can’t fault being 2 up without reply tbf.

[roversfan99]

Typical qualifier really. A somewhat disjointed display but the gulf in class v such a poor side leads to a comfortable victory.

I think the defence will be a danger zone against anyone decent.

[Proudtobeblue&white]

Turgid, first game, expect better on Monday.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Too static. Player A passes the ball to player B who’s stood still. He bounces it off to player C who is also stood still. Play on repeat. 

Edited March 21 by Tyrone Shoelaces

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Vorsprung durch England.

[DE.]

Wasn't much different from watching us under Southgate. However, that's what many of the players have been used to for years now. It'll take a few camps before Tuchel can significantly change things, if he does.

[jim mk2]

Slow, predictable, pointless, constant , sideways passing, dull, dulll, dull. Southgate on steroids. No sign of new thinking or direction. And vulnerable at the back too. Individually Rashford was awful, Foden out of place on the right wing, and Walker is way past his best. Meanwhile, Dan Burn. Really? 

[roversfan99]

Its one of them where any team he would have picked would have had too much against really poor opposition. People pick apart the team and the squad but it was never going to matter, an easy win was always on the cards.

The concerns would be when we play anyone who is any good. Some of his selections were strange, Rashford has struggled and hasnt had the sudden renaiscance that the media seem to want to portray since joining Villa and Foden has had a poor season and isnt a wide man. Henderson even being in the squad ahead of Wharton and Gallagher is just very odd.

The defence will be a major concern beyond any selection questions. Guehi surely has to play but even then, hes not a top centre back and hes the best we have. The fact that a 32 year old Dan Burn for all of his limitations is starting, that isnt happening for the main contenders for the World Cup. Walker is past it but tonight, average or past their best defenders could in the main rest easy against a poor side, although even then they had the odd wobble.

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3 hours ago, DE. said:

Wasn't much different from watching us under Southgate. However, that's what many of the players have been used to for years now. It'll take a few camps before Tuchel can significantly change things, if he does.

I think we were sat higher than Southgate era, more surging balls played into the area rather than trying to walk it in

[riverholmes]

10 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Too static. Player A passes the ball to player B who’s stood still. He bounces it off to player C who is also stood still. Play on repeat. 

England’s much heralded U21s (with Wharton) lost 5-3 in France. Naturally, the media that complacently hype the team don’t much reflect on what became a near thrashing.

Watching parts of the game, what was apparent, apart from horrendous defending, was that this talented young side struggled to know how to manage the game. Concerning for the future, despite the individual talent.

 

 

 

Edited March 22 by riverholmes

[Mattyblue]

Not really, like the Rovers academy sides most of them won’t make it to the senior side anyway and the ones that do will learn ‘game management’ from the vast majority of the time they spend playing club football.

[chaddyrovers]

Typical England performance at this stage 

Tuchel will be judge on Tournament football

[NeilInBristol]

8 hours ago, jim mk2 said:

Slow, predictable, pointless, constant , sideways passing, dull, dulll, dull. Southgate on steroids. No sign of new thinking or direction. And vulnerable at the back too. Individually Rashford was awful, Foden out of place on the right wing, and Walker is way past his best. Meanwhile, Dan Burn. Really? 

Crying out for Adam Wharton in this midfield 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

7 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Its one of them where any team he would have picked would have had too much against really poor opposition. People pick apart the team and the squad but it was never going to matter, an easy win was always on the cards.

The concerns would be when we play anyone who is any good. Some of his selections were strange, Rashford has struggled and hasnt had the sudden renaiscance that the media seem to want to portray since joining Villa and Foden has had a poor season and isnt a wide man. Henderson even being in the squad ahead of Wharton and Gallagher is just very odd.

The defence will be a major concern beyond any selection questions. Guehi surely has to play but even then, hes not a top centre back and hes the best we have. The fact that a 32 year old Dan Burn for all of his limitations is starting, that isnt happening for the main contenders for the World Cup. Walker is past it but tonight, average or past their best defenders could in the main rest easy against a poor side, although even then they had the odd wobble.

In spite of not having much of the ball in our half they cut through us a few times in midfield much too easily.

[Gav]

On 21/03/2025 at 08:54, Gav said:

In an interview with ITV Sport, Tuchel said England were missing "the identity, the clarity, the rhythm, the repetition of patterns, the freedom of players, the expression of players, the hunger" to win Euro 2024.

Now we seem to be missing all those aspects against an awful Albania Tuchel!

[DeeCee]

Doubt that anybody could be "pleased" with that result.  Reckon my walking football team could get a result against Albania.