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Rothwell, Nyambe and Graham starting were all being asked for, as well as not playing Gallagher on the wing, not starting Armstrong up top by himself and not playing Bell under any circumstances. For what it's worth I don't think the fans opinions had much if any sway on Mowbray's decision making, it's just common sense that took him a lot longer to realise than the rest of us for whatever reason. Arma seems to go through purple patches of form where he scores goals so if we're in one of those periods now then great. Evans coming in and playing like he has is obviously something that has to be credited to Mowbray, as he could easily have tried to shoehorn Bennett in there instead. I'm kind of shocked he didn't. Johnson's sudden fall down the pecking order suggests he isn't an option, whilst Smallwood seems to have been bundled into the trunk of Oldham's bus. Has he been seen since that game?

Unfortunately for TM we now have £12m worth of striking talent warming the bench, which is unfortunate to say the least. I think Gallagher will be useful for us in future, albeit overpriced, but I honestly don't know what can be done about Brereton at this point other than loaning him out and praying he improves dramatically.

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Just now, DE. said:

Unfortunately for TM we now have £12m worth of striking talent warming the bench, which is unfortunate to say the least. I think Gallagher will be useful for us in future, albeit overpriced, but I honestly don't know what can be done about Brereton at this point other than loaning him out and praying he improves dramatically.

Honestly, for me, Ben Brereton and Sam Gallagher are no worse/no better than each other. One player has about 10 league games (up front) for the club under his belt, the other has just one (and some sub appearances). Genuinely can't see how we've seen anywhere near enough BB up top for us in the league to be able to judge in the same way as SG.

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1 hour ago, JoeH said:

Honestly, for me, Ben Brereton and Sam Gallagher are no worse/no better than each other. One player has about 10 league games (up front) for the club under his belt, the other has just one (and some sub appearances). Genuinely can't see how we've seen anywhere near enough BB up top for us in the league to be able to judge in the same way as SG.

Whilst theres an element of truth in what you say, Gallagher is usually ineffective whereas Brereton usually stuck out like a sore thumb when he was on the pitch in terms of being miles away, in the same way that Buckley is when he comes on.

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6 hours ago, aletheia said:

Has someone thrown a switch at Rovers? I couldn’t see the plan or way forward several games ago (not to mention for several seasons past). And now, praise where it’s due, we look a credible team. Really enjoyed today’s game-a real cat and mouse game from both sides attempting to pass it, not a blood and thunder game (which can in their own ways be good.)

Manager asked why we are now suddenly winning, what’s different. He answered that it was just a matter of fine margins. Well…

-a passing game – one touch stuff

-patience (ignore the numpties around me who moan that it should be launched forward asap)

-sensible shape with players in the right positions

-players that look like they enjoy this shape and way of playing and understand it

-dropped the long ball to Gallagher/Graham –tedious to watch and ineffective generally (although I’m not against long ball at the right time as variation)

-finally, thank the lord, trying to play the ball into hole and play from there. A word on this. It’s great to knock it into say Dack in there but we need to think more of the next 2 touches. Sometimes, Dack with his back to goal is fending off people and trying to take on a couple of players. If he gets caught here (especially when tiring), a swift turnover can catch us out.

-some nice triangles played around Nyambe on the touchline

-a word on Rothwell. Still believe, he can be great for us. But another who someone has to get  inside his head and make him believe. Make him play a great game every game not once in a while. Talk about positional play. Talk about believing that he can score goals.  One of our few players who can drop a shoulder and ghost past people with pace.

Sometimes it’s just the little things. For example. In the main, we have (thankfully) dropped the ineffective throw down the line which is just a play safe lottery. We now retain possession from throw-ins really well. Example from today. Late second half in Derby half on our left (in front of JW stand).  Throw in. Bennett (I think) takes. Downing to receive but he has a defender in front of him making it difficult. He discretely signals with his left hand which side he wants the ball to go. Thrower obliges. And Downing is able to nicely play a long pass onto the far side of the pitch to maintain possession and start an attack. Simple but effective and missing from Rovers’ play for years.

Nyambe –hold my hands up. Always had potential but thought he was a rabbit in the headlights as a defender. Still prone to keystone cop moments and uncertain positionally, but wonderful today at times. One moment, deep in second half, when he stood still on the ball and then dropped a shoulder and surged past their player down the line as if he wasn’t there. Loved it. Bags of energy, runs all day. Got to get inside his head and make him believe in himself.

Tosin and Lenihan

Can be a very good partnership in this league. Tosin has got it all. We’ve been crying out for nearly a decade for passes into the ‘pocket’, ‘hole’ whatever –he calmly sees situations and delivers passes forward into great positions. Just a matter of watching the body language and doing the nitty gritty at times.

Evans was immense. He is never going to be the most silky or pacey. But he really did a job today, worked like a Trojan, made forward runs as well as the usual defensive biting covering and tackling. He and Travis (also limited in many ways) were effective at snuffing things out. Well done lads.

Armstrong. Always had ability but in recent times we all know some issues. Work rate? How much does he want it? Head down running into blind alleys? Making the right decision? Well today, he got it all right. Great performance, first on the wing and then when they were tiring, up front he kept going. Let’s hope he can do it every game and has the will to do it. Well done.

Downing. Age, legs going but class is permanent. Footballing brain and suspect it is rubbing off on players around him. Calm in possession, does simple thing, keeps ball well. Will never surge past a full back but still capable of creating half a yard and whipping in a great cross (something lacking from Rovers for ages). At full back, you worry about pace but know-how has been enough so far and gives his all. Knocked some great balls forward to Armstrong towards the end.

A few things that annoyed me (picky I know after such a good win). Basically all of them at the end when we are trying to wind the clock down. Generally, giving the ball away too cheaply. Buckley coming on and giving the ball away twice when you just need sensible game management. Ditto Walton (good save btw) at the death with a free kick who just kicked it long and it went straight though to their keeper to launch another attack. Keeper has to get it to Gallagher on the touch line so that you at least have a 50/50 of getting a throw and thus hold play up longer. And on another note, Dack not passing to Armstrong who was in a great position to score. These things can cost you.

So, praise is due –for now. Keep it up.

Post of the day for me - exactly how I saw the game. .👍

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A good win, fully deserved. My only criticism would be that it wasn't more comfortable and that we allowed them to hang in there when really we should have been home and dry. We don't quite ever seem to be able to just get that 2nd goal and make it straightforward.

Good to see some consistency both in selection and in performance. That must be maintained. For all Mowbray thinking he is clever with regular chopping and changing it is obvious that consistency wins.

Long may the wins continue. The victories in recent weeks have repaired the damage of the period prior to that, the next batch of fixtures other than Bristol away are all against average/ struggling sides so a good opportunity.

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Tosin Adarabioyo. Bloody hell, I haven’t been this excited about a defender since Phil Jones (Aged 17) schooled a peak Drogba at Ewood.

Tosin could be a very special player. Wow

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39 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

Tosin Adarabioyo. Bloody hell, I haven’t been this excited about a defender since Phil Jones (Aged 17) schooled a peak Drogba at Ewood.

Tosin could be a very special player. Wow

I'm exactly the same he is literally outstanding, best defender at Ewood in many, many years.

At one point yesterday someone played it back to Walton and he was signalling telling him to keep it on the floor, he didn't and hoofed it and he looked distraught Haha.

This boy will 100% be playing premiership football next season if City have a rep tracking his performances for us.

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His passing and general class on the ball has never been in doubt, but his actual defending was top drawer too yesterday. He got his head or one of those long legs to everything.

Reminded me of Rio Ferdinand.

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1 hour ago, Paul Mani said:

Tosin Adarabioyo. Bloody hell, I haven’t been this excited about a defender since Phil Jones (Aged 17) schooled a peak Drogba at Ewood.

Tosin could be a very special player. Wow

I can’t recall ever seeing any player bully Drogba on a football pitch. Let alone a teenager. It was a phenomenal performance I thought he’d be an England regular and future England captain for sure. In a way it’s sad how he seems to have gone backwards as a player since going to manure.

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8 hours ago, DE. said:

Unfortunately for TM we now have £12m worth of striking talent warming the bench, which is unfortunate to say the least. I think Gallagher will be useful for us in future, albeit overpriced, but I honestly don't know what can be done about Brereton at this point other than loaning him out and praying he improves dramatically.

Unless we somehow go up, I see them pair being our strike force next season.

No way are Dack snd Graham going to be here.

Edited by MarkBRFC

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I agree with the general consensus. Tosin and Downing were my favourites today but their tight, ultra-casual interplay under pressure, deep in our own half, is sometimes nerve-wracking. 
But what about the Downing series of wonderful pressure relieving, long clearances/passes over the head of their full back.......with just enough weight to allow Armstrong or Gallagher to put in a serious challenge. Classy stuff, especially in the second half.

Buckley’s 6 minutes put the willies up me for sure.....strange sub that.

We’re still not generating many chances though. Rothwell is unconvincing for me. Neither he nor Armstrong deliver a consistent end product but Armstrong has improved I think. Gallagher and Brereton seem unlikely to be the answer. So Dack and Danny it is then and we keep searching for the best supply lines.

Some problems have been addressed effectively this season, so I remain optimistic. Play-offs here we come!

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What I liked was the constant harrying of the Derby players by our midfield, to regain possession. Reminiscent of our promotion form coming back from League 1. Not only does it please the crowd, but it also gives the impression of a team that is working hard for each other, which is further dispiriting for the opposition.

Long may it continue. No doubt there will be further reverses to endure, and Tinkerman may lose the plot even further than replacing the energetic (if somewhat knackered) front man with a striker on the wing, but if we've found a formula that works, lets just go with it and let other teams worry about us.VhQs6Pu.gif?noredirect

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Yes, i was going to mention that too. Derby played a lot of poor balls, several of them directly in to touch, when we snapped at their heels. Very pleasing.

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They were awful to be fair, I'd go as far as to say the worst team we've had at Ewood all season. Not sure what the granny shagger is going to do to change that but we'll see.

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1 hour ago, matt83 said:

I can’t recall ever seeing any player bully Drogba on a football pitch. Let alone a teenager. It was a phenomenal performance I thought he’d be an England regular and future England captain for sure. In a way it’s sad how he seems to have gone backwards as a player since going to manure.

A lot of people forget that Drogba actually scored after about 5 minutes that day, which would have made him even more menacing and put doubts in young Jones’s mind. Amazing performance.

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I think the Phil Jones debut was superb management, just thrown in there, no time for nerves just go out and do your thing.

Makes it more annoying when at times clubs mollycoddle players like they are little lambs, it’s football not neurosurgery.

City must be keeping tabs on Tosin, he’d be their best defender at present, he’s a joy to watch, moves around effortlessly.

Sadly he’ll be way out of our price range so I’m going to enjoy watching him whilst here 

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Great to be moving in the right direction in the league, shame that it took 3 months of Mowbray tinkering to get to this point.

If we have a solid Christmas, let's see what happens in January. Have lessons been learnt since the shambles of Jan/Summer windows last year?

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1 hour ago, OJRovers said:

Great to be moving in the right direction in the league, shame that it took 3 months of Mowbray tinkering to get to this point.

If we have a solid Christmas, let's see what happens in January. Have lessons been learnt since the shambles of Jan/Summer windows last year?

But he got us here nonetheless 

We were all critical,some more than others,now it's time to man up and give credit where it is due. Trying to maintain that he somehow listened to people on here or that hes still a problem,only makes those doing it seem petty and saying anything to save face. 

I put my hands up,I wanted him out earlier in the season and I have been proven wrong. 

Still a ways to go,but the signs are positive. 

All the praise of Tosin, dont forget Mowbray signed him. So defenders were indeed coming. Cunningham was a great signing too,just unlucky with the injury. 

Edited by Bigdoggsteel

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11 hours ago, JoeH said:

The only one I think the fans can feel justified in having played a part in is Nyambe, 

Rothwell? Graham? Travis? Bell and Benno dropped?

No Chapman of course. Will he ever kick a ball for us again in the first team? Why did he buy him

Edited by 47er

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3 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

His passing and general class on the ball has never been in doubt, but his actual defending was top drawer too yesterday. He got his head or one of those long legs to everything.

Reminded me of Rio Ferdinand.

Ferdinand is the player he reminds me of too as a CB - but this lad has the potential to be better in my opinion. You can also see why WBA fans liked him in CDM and in that position you would imagine he would be like a Yaya Toure.

This lad was playing U18's for City at 14 and was the captain of the side at 16. Will be playing for England soon as I could see him easily slotting in at Man City.

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7 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

But he got us here nonetheless 

We were all critical,some more than others,now it's time to man up and give credit where it is due. Trying to maintain that he somehow listened to people on here or that hes still a problem,only makes those doing it seem petty and saying anything to save face. 

I out my hands up,I wanted him out earlier in the season and I have been proven wrong. 

Still a ways to go,but the sogns are positive. 

All the praise of Tosin, dont forget Mowbray signed him. So defenders were indeed coming. Cunningham was a great signing g too,just unlucky with the injury. 

I genuinely do think he listened to fans and other people round him when he was on the brink a few weeks ago. (Not saying he reads this board).

I'm not giving him unreserved credit yet when the only reason he played Graham, Nyambe, Rothwell and dropped Bennett, Gallagher etc was because his job was at risk- due to his own poor team selections.

I'd still take a replacement, because on balance (transfers/ team selections/tactics) I think we can do better.

 

 

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Rovers on the up and we're all enjoying our weekend's again but doesn't it just highlight how much this side was underperforming?..players out of position,changing the side week to week.FFS matters were becoming unbearable.

The fans were right to show their disapproval.

 

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1 hour ago, 47er said:

Rothwell? Graham? Travis? Bell and Benno dropped?

No Chapman of course. Will he ever kick a ball for us again in the first team? Why did he buy him

Travis? Taking mick with that. 

Nobody was calling for Downing LB, Evans in midfield and quite a few called for Williams return too. 

Truth is that TM hasn’t made his new choices based off of any fans opinion.

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1 hour ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

But he got us here nonetheless 

We were all critical,some more than others,now it's time to man up and give credit where it is due. Trying to maintain that he somehow listened to people on here or that hes still a problem,only makes those doing it seem petty and saying anything to save face. 

I put my hands up,I wanted him out earlier in the season and I have been proven wrong. 

Still a ways to go,but the signs are positive. 

All the praise of Tosin, dont forget Mowbray signed him. So defenders were indeed coming. Cunningham was a great signing too,just unlucky with the injury. 

I remain unconvinced he's not another Bowyer. Pulls results out of the bag when the pressure is on, gives fans false hope of a playoff push, then crumbles.

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1 hour ago, OJRovers said:

I genuinely do think he listened to fans and other people round him when he was on the brink a few weeks ago. (Not saying he reads this board).

I'm not giving him unreserved credit yet when the only reason he played Graham, Nyambe, Rothwell and dropped Bennett, Gallagher etc was because his job was at risk- due to his own poor team selections.

I'd still take a replacement, because on balance (transfers/ team selections/tactics) I think we can do better.

 

 

No doubt in my mind they have people at the club who keep him informed as to the general feeling. Far to many things he says and highlights as do the LT follow what's being moaned about on forums, social media etc.

Not a bad idea i suppose a lot of clubs do it these days it's all part and parcel of the modern game. Whether it influences anything or not who knows but the turnaround and back to basics approach has been a remarkable coincidence compared to everything the fans have been asking for for months.

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