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1 hour ago, joey_big_nose said:

The feeling I'm getting is Venkys have been spooked by the Covid second wave and halted all spending.

I dont believe that for one minute.

I'm not up to speed with what is happening in India with Coronavirus but imagine the situation there is very different to that in the UK. Their business interests are likely unaffected by what happens in the UK. 

The club has had no income since February yet carried on spending.

I think they already decided they weren't putting funds into the transfer kitty. The money spent on Kaminski and Ayala will have come from funds already allocated to the wage bill and saved since July by getting shut of Downing, Graham, Tosin and the others.

I very much doubt they know anything about it or the situation with crowds.

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1 hour ago, DavidMailsTightPerm said:

Can somebody point me to the transfer thread ?

Tony Mowbray's trouser pocket or Waggott's wallet

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I genuinely think they'd still fund the club if crowds were ruled out altogether as long as there was tv coverage and an income from that. Might even suit them the way they do things they'd just micromanage it from India with the manager and coaches over here.

Out would go swaggo and everyone in office here and the agents would sub contract the needed official staff as and when needed.

Come to think of it we've already had that model !

 

 

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4 hours ago, Paul Mani said:

Rovers missed out on promotion for a whole host of reasons.

Yes but he major one imo was the manager. His transfer deals, his baffling selections, tactics, subs, playing players out of position etc.

If there was any one reason, it was at his door.

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Ryan Manning would be a massive upgrade on Bell. Surely a fee can be produced that suits both parties given his contract situation. He is 24 so at a right age too.

These last minute collapses with deals needs to end. We have missed out on quality players as a result of sitting there while other clubs pinch them from under our noses. Its a massive problem.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, I thought the story that we were close to a player was about Garner who opted for Watford instead? Doesn't seem like we necessarily dropped the ball, they're a far more attractive proposition. Not saying our transfer dealings aren't frustrating but I don't think Garner was an example of a poor structure. 

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Just now, Mellor Rover said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, I thought the story that we were close to a player was about Garner who opted for Watford instead? Doesn't seem like we necessarily dropped the ball, they're a far more attractive proposition. Not saying our transfer dealings aren't frustrating but I don't think Garner was an example of a poor structure. 

Sharpe reported both Garner and an unnamed LB both fell through.

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17 hours ago, windymiller7 said:

I had to look - he's 61 in December. Probably still better than Bell!

Played with him in a charity match several years ago and he didnt complete the game so yes an upgrade on Bell.

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1 minute ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

Sharpe reported both Garner and an unnamed LB both fell through.

Ahhhh okay

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23 minutes ago, Mellor Rover said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, I thought the story that we were close to a player was about Garner who opted for Watford instead? Doesn't seem like we necessarily dropped the ball, they're a far more attractive proposition. Not saying our transfer dealings aren't frustrating but I don't think Garner was an example of a poor structure. 

I get your point but it seems we give players, agents and clubs alot of opportunities to change their minds, make offers etc. I thought Harrison Reed was superb when he was here. I understand finances etc. But I feel that was a no brainer. Again right age, quality player, knew the club and apparently was close to rejoining before Fulham came in. These are the type of opportunities you have to take. The Dilly dallying has cost us by playinb chicken with the transfer window closing and hoping to secure targets at the last minute to gain a better price. Some players are worth nailing down early. Reeds value showed when he went to Fulham, they wont be out of pocket with him and nor would we have been.

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1 hour ago, Paul Mellelieu said:

Yes, he should have thought about the pandemic just around the corner...

well he chose to extend smallwood and  few others who never played during the pandemic...........

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1 hour ago, JHRover said:

I dont believe that for one minute.

I'm not up to speed with what is happening in India with Coronavirus but imagine the situation there is very different to that in the UK. Their business interests are likely unaffected by what happens in the UK. 

The club has had no income since February yet carried on spending.

I think they already decided they weren't putting funds into the transfer kitty. The money spent on Kaminski and Ayala will have come from funds already allocated to the wage bill and saved since July by getting shut of Downing, Graham, Tosin and the others.

I very much doubt they know anything about it or the situation with crowds.

What I mean is the realisation there will be no gate revenue until at least March. 

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1 hour ago, JHRover said:

I dont believe that for one minute.

I'm not up to speed with what is happening in India with Coronavirus but imagine the situation there is very different to that in the UK. Their business interests are likely unaffected by what happens in the UK. 

The club has had no income since February yet carried on spending.

I think they already decided they weren't putting funds into the transfer kitty. The money spent on Kaminski and Ayala will have come from funds already allocated to the wage bill and saved since July by getting shut of Downing, Graham, Tosin and the others.

I very much doubt they know anything about it or the situation with crowds.

Over 1000 deaths and nearly 70k cases in last 24 hours, they're in the midst of it.

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1 hour ago, JHRover said:

I dont believe that for one minute.

I'm not up to speed with what is happening in India with Coronavirus but imagine the situation there is very different to that in the UK. Their business interests are likely unaffected by what happens in the UK. 

The club has had no income since February yet carried on spending.

I think they already decided they weren't putting funds into the transfer kitty. The money spent on Kaminski and Ayala will have come from funds already allocated to the wage bill and saved since July by getting shut of Downing, Graham, Tosin and the others.

I very much doubt they know anything about it or the situation with crowds.

You’re not up to speed re Coved in India, if you would care to google it, you would find its one of the worst affected places in the world, Venkys shares took another hit recently, they will know exactly what’s going on in the UK, plus worrying about the other 20 odd businesss  all round the world.

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1 hour ago, JHRover said:

I dont believe that for one minute.

I'm not up to speed with what is happening in India with Coronavirus but imagine the situation there is very different to that in the UK. Their business interests are likely unaffected by what happens in the UK. 

The club has had no income since February yet carried on spending.

I think they already decided they weren't putting funds into the transfer kitty. The money spent on Kaminski and Ayala will have come from funds already allocated to the wage bill and saved since July by getting shut of Downing, Graham, Tosin and the others.

I very much doubt they know anything about it or the situation with crowds.

You doubt they know anything about our situation but admit that you don’t know anything about theirs and assume everything is fine.. 

Isn’t that exactly what you’re accusing them of with the UK restrictions?

Slightly hypocritical I’d suggest.

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5 hours ago, Paul Mani said:

Or what about narrowly missing out on Harrison Reed to Fulham? Surely he could’ve carried us home? The list is exhaustive.

 

Reed's girlfriend supposedly didn't like being away from her friends and family so coming back to us was very unlikely. 

1 hour ago, ben_the_beast said:

Pleaaaaaase can everyone stop talking about Raya. He must have taken up a good 50 pages of this transfer thread. Just go on his own specific thread. Mods could you not start chucking Raya chat in there to help?

Best to skip through the thread when posters keep banging on him. 

1 hour ago, JHRover said:

I dont believe that for one minute.

I'm not up to speed with what is happening in India with Coronavirus but imagine the situation there is very different to that in the UK. Their business interests are likely unaffected by what happens in the UK. 

The club has had no income since February yet carried on spending.

I very much doubt they know anything about it or the situation with crowds.

why don't actually look up the Covid-19 cases and number of deaths in India before posting such comments? Thats been one of the worst hit country in the world. So their business interests have been hit if you look at their share price. They will know everything going on at the club and probably know what the fans messageboards are saying. 

The club has had income from online sales in club shop. Didn't you buy anything during that time?

 

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Going to draw a line under all the Raya chat in here as it’s gone too far off topic. 
I’ve moved the last one to the existing thread, which is here- 

Thanks.

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23 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

They will know everything going on at the club and probably know what the fans messageboards are saying. 

The club has had income from online sales in club shop. Didn't you buy anything during that time?

 

I'm amazed you believe this. 

The manager has to wait weeks to get answers on his budget and approval to do business but you think the owners spend their time on our messageboards?

They couldn't give a stuff. 

As for Covid maybe it has caused them difficulties. Maybe it hasn't. We don't actually know. People can put share price graphs up but I thought the club was funded personally by the owners, not by the company.

One thing I do know is that other clubs with bigger crowds and overheads than Rovers will be losing more money and have to find more to keep meeting wages etc.

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1 minute ago, JHRover said:

I'm amazed you believe this. 

The manager has to wait weeks to get answers on his budget and approval to do business but you think the owners spend their time on our messageboards?

They couldn't give a stuff. 

As for Covid maybe it has caused them difficulties. Maybe it hasn't. We don't actually know. People can put share price graphs up but I thought the club was funded personally by the owners, not by the company.

One thing I do know is that other clubs with bigger crowds and overheads than Rovers will be losing more money and have to find more to keep meeting wages etc.

Yes - I think probably a lot of clubs have cancelled their transfer plans.

It's a classic "stop everything and we will rebudget scenario".

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1 minute ago, JHRover said:

I'm amazed you believe this. 

The manager has to wait weeks to get answers on his budget and approval to do business but you think the owners spend their time on our messageboards?

They couldn't give a stuff. 

As for Covid maybe it has caused them difficulties. Maybe it hasn't. We don't actually know. People can put share price graphs up but I thought the club was funded personally by the owners, not by the company.

One thing I do know is that other clubs with bigger crowds and overheads than Rovers will be losing more money and have to find more to keep meeting wages etc.

I do have one worry that the Covid situation might be seen as a "respectable" excuse/screen for Venky's to throw in the towel..

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13 minutes ago, JHRover said:

I'm amazed you believe this. 

The manager has to wait weeks to get answers on his budget and approval to do business but you think the owners spend their time on our messageboards?

They couldn't give a stuff. 

As for Covid maybe it has caused them difficulties. Maybe it hasn't. We don't actually know. People can put share price graphs up but I thought the club was funded personally by the owners, not by the company.

One thing I do know is that other clubs with bigger crowds and overheads than Rovers will be losing more money and have to find more to keep meeting wages etc.

Rovers are just 1 of 20 odd business’s they own, obviously this pandemic has affected them, with both India and UK badly hit.

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13 minutes ago, JHRover said:

I'm amazed you believe this. 

The manager has to wait weeks to get answers on his budget and approval to do business but you think the owners spend their time on our messageboards?

They couldn't give a stuff. 

As for Covid maybe it has caused them difficulties. Maybe it hasn't. We don't actually know. People can put share price graphs up but I thought the club was funded personally by the owners, not by the company.

One thing I do know is that other clubs with bigger crowds and overheads than Rovers will be losing more money and have to find more to keep meeting wages etc.

who says the manager had to wait weeks? You even had Mowbray saying after the Luton game that he hasn't received full clarity on the budget so from that comment he has some sort of clarity on his budget. 

Did I actually say the owners spend time on Rovers messageboards? No I didn't. But it has been said in the past on BRFCS podcasts thats the owners have people who monitor Rovers fan messageboards. 

You don't know JH. You only need to look at Venkys share price over the last 6 months so see they been hit by this Global pandemic. 

Here is an article on Covid-19 cases in Pune from the India today newspaper. As many as 3,291 new coronavirus cases were reported in Pune taking the district's tally to 2,57,797. The death toll reached 5,870 after 96 people succumbed to the infection, an official said on Tuesday. Of the total news cases, 1,364 are in Pune Municipal Corporation limits, which now has 1,34,029 cases. The count in Pimpri Chinchwad increased by 814 to reach 71,641. https://english.jagran.com/india/pune-coronavirus-news-updates-covid-tally-in-district-reaches-breaches-two-and-half-lakh-figure-check-full-list-of-containment-zones-10017123

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The pandemic leading to a reduced budget would be understandable, as it was they put us on the back burner and left the manager waiting ages for his budget because we clearly weren't a priority. Why anyone would defend them for it is beyond me.

There is very little evidence that they know "everything that is going on" or have a real strong passion for the club, they have attended more in cardboard form to be fair post lockdown than ever before.

Definitely seems to have been a change in Mowbrays comments since last Thursdays meeting too, maybe they have been spooked.

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