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1 minute ago, Paul Mani said:

Hate is an intense dislike. Whilst I don’t believe many / any Rovers supporters ‘intensely dislike’ Bennett (why would you?), some of the stuff he gets thrown at him by so called Rovers fans is very close to the bone. Especially on social media. Those choice of words are often hateful by definition, whether they mean it or not.

Those people on social media all like a reason to hate. They always find a common cause. Enough idiiots follow it, it becomes a disease. It is the football hooligism of the modern day.

Real fans dont hate players of the team. They may dislike some, they may disagree with the manager picking them.

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Bennett isn't a good enough footballer for a side that wants to be in the top 6 of this division.

Does that classify as hate now? Because that's all I have seen on here or on social media.

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1 hour ago, Paul Mani said:

I still genuinely believe both of those players will play a part in our success this season. 

They'll play a part because they will be picked! However it won't be anywhere near proportional to their transfer fees.

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Just now, dingles staying down 4ever said:

Those people on social media all like a reason to hate. They always find a common cause. Enough idiiots follow it, it becomes a disease. It is the football hooligism of the modern day.

Real fans dont hate players of the team. They may dislike some, they may disagree with the manager picking them.

Wow...love this term. Powerfully accurate 🔥

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25 minutes ago, JoeH said:

Benno is going to be out for months so why don’t we put the hate on the back burner considering it means absolutely nothing right now. 

Lazy word is hate. 

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1 minute ago, Paul Mani said:

He’s definitely the teachers pet but the more you get to know him the more understandable if is. He’s just such a decent guy. The perfect man to lead our club...and he’s had a good career too. Played at the top level. Now he’s not playing and still a brilliant influence on the group.

Not many of these types around. He’ll be missed when he’s gone.

I understand the reason for him being in the squad and being Club Captain. What many didnt understand and why the 'hatred' arose was the shoe horn effect around the team Mowbray did last season often to the detriment of the team when a place on the bench was required for him.

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2 minutes ago, 47er said:

They'll play a part because they will be picked! However it won't be anywhere near proportional to their transfer fees.

It’s all pretty irrelevant really. There’s lots of players bought for nowt in real terms who will play huge parts...

If Gally and BB chip in with five goals each whilst Dolan (free), Dack (£750k) and AA (£3m) score 50 goals between them and our back 5 (Kaminski, Nyambe, Lenihan, Ayala, Douglas) combined fees £200k keep enough clean sheets then we’ll prob go up.

I get your frustrations re those two. I feel it too but I still think there’s a top player in BB and a 10 goals a season man in SG. 

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SG as a centre forward, I agree that there’s something to work with, however the ‘wide forward’ thing has to stop and stop now.

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13 minutes ago, dingles staying down 4ever said:

I understand the reason for him being in the squad and being Club Captain. What many didnt understand and why the 'hatred' arose was the shoe horn effect around the team Mowbray did last season often to the detriment of the team when a place on the bench was required for him.

I understand why. But it was the managers choice to pick him. So the ‘hate’ towards Bennett is / was still completely uncalled for imo.

Bennett has literally NEVER walked onto a pitch for us and not given 100%

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1 minute ago, Mattyblue said:

SG as a centre forward, I agree that there’s something to work with, however the ‘wide forward’ thing has to stop and stop now.

I’d play him through the middle too...but that’s the managers call

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Well obviously it’s the manager’s call. We could preface every post we make with that disclaimer!

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3 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

SG as a centre forward, I agree that there’s something to work with, however the ‘wide forward’ thing has to stop and stop now.

I also think that the loan signing of Elliott puts more competition into the wide areas and positions SG more naturally into a central position.

SG as first sub for Arma with Elliott, BB, Dolan and Chapman as the wide forwards....until Dack comes back 🙈

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4 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

SG as a centre forward, I agree that there’s something to work with, however the ‘wide forward’ thing has to stop and stop now.

Spot on. Now with a selection of 'Wingers' at the club. SG as a true centre forward may work as a plan B to the pace on offer with Armstrong on plan A. But this will rely on him being confident in himself that he can stand up to a big centre half and also that these wingers can cross accurately, an art which seems to have faded in the modern game

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5 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

I’d play him through the middle too...but that’s the managers call

You mean he's won the right to keep making the same mistake?

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6 minutes ago, 47er said:

You mean he's won the right to keep making the same mistake?

No. I was just pointing out a fact. But ultimately the manager has to win games. Previously he hasn’t had too many options in that wide forward area but now he has plenty with addition of Dolan and Elliott plus development of BB.

He may still choose to play SG out wide to isolate a fullback and whip some crosses in from Douglas. But if SG can’t cut it out there then why would he do that with those I’ve mentioned on the bench?

Mowbrays job is to win games and get us out of this league. He’s got enough credit in the bank with Venkys and the fans to not start his two biggest buys. But he will lose his job if he can’t get this squad up in the next two seasons. Top 6 a minimum this season, up in two at the very latest!

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3 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

He may still choose to play SG out wide to isolate a fullback and whip some crosses in from Douglas. But if SG can’t cut it out there then why would he do that with those I’ve mentioned on the bench? 

Because he paid £5m for him.

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Just now, MarkBRFC said:

Because he paid £5m for him.

Please see my additional point on that post. Edited afterwards, apologies.

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Interesting that Manning went for just 250k. You would assume we would have known about this having been linked with him previously - we would have been alerted by an agent I am sure. Means we either made a decision to not buy him or he made a decision he didn't want to come to us. My thinking is TM wanted a bit more experience in the squad and the character that Douglas apparently has. Winning mentality too with 2 promotions under his belt. I guess the plan is to get him on a contract after the loan if he does well.

Manning offered the better long term option and excellent resale value at 250k but I wonder if TM was put off for any reason.

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Just now, JacknOry said:

Interesting that Manning went for just 250k. You would assume we would have known about this having been linked with him previously - we would have been alerted by an agent I am sure. Means we either made a decision to not buy him or he made a decision he didn't want to come to us. My thinking is TM wanted a bit more experience in the squad and the character that Douglas apparently has. Winning mentality too with 2 promotions under his belt. I guess the plan is to get him on a contract after the loan if he does well.

Manning offered the better long term option and excellent resale value at 250k but I wonder if TM was put off for any reason.

Huge wages apparently 

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3 minutes ago, JacknOry said:

Interesting that Manning went for just 250k. You would assume we would have known about this having been linked with him previously - we would have been alerted by an agent I am sure. Means we either made a decision to not buy him or he made a decision he didn't want to come to us. My thinking is TM wanted a bit more experience in the squad and the character that Douglas apparently has. Winning mentality too with 2 promotions under his belt. I guess the plan is to get him on a contract after the loan if he does well.

Manning offered the better long term option and excellent resale value at 250k but I wonder if TM was put off for any reason.

Suspect the overall package would have meant it was Manning or the four players we've brought in which swayed the decision

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27 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

It’s all pretty irrelevant really. There’s lots of players bought for nowt in real terms who will play huge parts...

If Gally and BB chip in with five goals each whilst Dolan (free), Dack (£750k) and AA (£3m) score 50 goals between them and our back 5 (Kaminski, Nyambe, Lenihan, Ayala, Douglas) combined fees £200k keep enough clean sheets then we’ll prob go up.

I get your frustrations re those two. I feel it too but I still think there’s a top player in BB and a 10 goals a season man in SG. 

I think Dack, AA, Dolan will struggle to get 50 tbh. Though maybe that number is a bit high it excludes others contributing.

My guess is around.

AA 20

Dack 8

Dolan 6

Gallagher 5

Brereton 1

Rothwell 4

Johnson 7

Lenihan 3

Williams 3

Ayala 3

Douglas 4

Travis 2

Holtby 2

Buckley 2

70ish goals there. We scored 66 last term. If Armstrong gets injured we are buggered.

 

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Just now, joey_big_nose said:

I think Dack, AA, Dolan will struggle to get 50 tbh. Though maybe that number is a bit high it excludes others contributing.

My guess is around.

AA 20

Dack 8

Dolan 6

Gallagher 5

Brereton 1

Rothwell 4

Johnson 7

Lenihan 3

Williams 3

Ayala 3

Douglas 4

Travis 2

Holtby 2

Buckley 2

70ish goals there. We scored 66 last term. If Armstrong gets injured we are buggered.

 

Yeah that’s much more likely...I was just making a point re the irrelevance of the fees vs prominence...

Your post actually strengthens that point as basically none of the contributors cost much money and a few are worth a fortune. 

 

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The biggest and most interesting thing about this rovers squad now is that we have defensive quality, strength across the middle of the park both in protecting the back 4 and support to the front players, pace, nouse, width, creativity with pace to burn up front. Moreover there  is competition for places creating incentives for players to perform something we haven’t had. There are a lot of teams that don’t have what we now have Rovers and Mowbray have to reap the opportunities in front of them. The squad set up reminds me of how Norwich wiped the floor a couple of seasons ago. It’s nothing but positive if you ask me

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