[Archived] Transfers Part 2

[JacknOry]

From wiki: (yeah i know)

Caddis signed a short-term contract with EFL League One club Bury on 25 February 2017.^[32] He went straight into the starting eleven for that day's 1–0 win away to Charlton Athletic, a result that continued a winning streak for Lee Clark, under whose management Caddis had been a first-team regular at Birmingham.

[MarkBRFC]

2 minutes ago, AdamRochina said:

Thought caddis joined bury 

Only signed a short term deal until the end of last season.

[G Somerset Rover]

Kudos to Stokes for dragging himself out of the Glasgow boozers into training. Goes above and beyond that lad.

[gazsimm]

Saw Caddis a few times playing for Bury last season when Rovers were not playing. He looked overweight and lacks pace, hopefully only using our training facilities.to get fit to find a new club.

[JayPeeBee40]

4 hours ago, tomphil said:

We know that but the court case was obviously in the pipeline smart a*se

OK 

[Mike E]

Notable that it's double sessions everyday until the Barrow game. Good to see some semblance of professionalism back at the club.

[Tom]

Just now, Mike E said:

Notable that it's double sessions everyday until the Barrow game. Good to see some semblance of professionalism back at the club.

Ping Pong am

Krispy Kreme test pm?

[davulsukur]

13 minutes ago, Tom said:

Ping Pong am

Krispy Kreme test pm?

Missed out the header tennis

[Bigdoggsteel]

Bob Dylan once wrote, The times, they are a-changin. Owen Coyle had never heard that song.

Fitness is important for professional footballers these days? Get outta here! 

[MarkBRFC71]

3 hours ago, perthblue02 said:

Chance would be a fine thing we have only just got Aldi here in the last 12 months, still a novelty having a chainsaw in with your tea, milk and biscuits in the shopping trolley

Wait til you get Walmart and you can buy a canoe, crossbow, TV, 9mm ammo, car tyres and all your grocery shopping at the same time.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Just now, MarkBRFC71 said:

Wait til you get Walmart and you can buy a canoe, crossbow, TV, 9mm ammo, car tyres and all your grocery shopping at the same time.

What no  AK-47's ? I suppose I could make do with an Armalite.

[Stuart]

9 hours ago, Bluebandit said:

I envisaged all this when the WT sold up it signified the end of what of you could call the end of a golden era I also knew that there would be a period of decline. It's fair to say mistakes have been plentiful along the way things could/should have been done differently for a myriad of factors. It hasn't transpired to be any different from my premonition. Time is relative 7mins 7hrs 7days 7weeks 7years the end result is still the same. So far I've not been wrong with my feelings I believe now if we can stabilise the debts learn from certain mistakes we can start going up in terms of league standing won't be a overnight thing.

The bit in bold is a massive issue.

That 'if' is a very big IF. Where is the money coming from in League One to pay the debt repayments? Player sales is the only possible way - and that won't be huge. Next step is to double the season ticket price and double the number of season ticket holders. So fans have to expect that more players are on the way out. The fact Rovers are being so quick of the mark suggests to me that Mowbray is not only replacing those whose contracts have expired but those with any resale value that can help to stabilise the debts.

Now, the 'we': in this context 'we' has to mean 'Team Venkys'. We could not stabilise the current debt without them (unless they clear it before they walk). What the greater 'we' really need is a Venky-free future. In the meantime, we have the choice of watching the football or not watching the football. There is no 'we' that includes Venkys until we are solvent and back as a midtable PL team. (Which really means there is no 'we' that includes Venkys, as far as I'm concerned). Anyone who thinks that needs their bumps felt. They are not on our side, they do what they want, when they want.

'Stabilise'? What does that mean? Keep the debt at over £100m and just keep paying off the interest? So we are rooting for Venkys as part of our indefinite future? Really hope not.

Finally 'debt': whose debt? How is this ever going to be paid back? What if the world moves on and their chicken business can no longer prop us up? Or if one of them becomes ill - they aren't exactly spring chickens? Getting the debt under control means reducing it to a level that could be managed without them. Jack's legacy was to keep us at the top table - and he almost did it for an indefinite stay but for a few shortsighted children. Venkys' legacy has to be to ensure that there is a Blackburn Rovers once they are done with us. Do we have any faith that they will? Writing off £100m is a lot to ask of people who don't even care about football, let alone the club they unapologetically threw under a bus.

[Dunnfc]

Our fixed costs are circa ten million, parachuteless turnover in the champs is only roughly 13 million maybe 14.5 if someone bounces back up but never a certainty, we will never ever get the debt stabilised. We pay close to a million on various bits of interest alone. L1 turnover for the coming season if we are lucky might get to ten million, we will have a wage bill alone of around 12 then your fixed costs to actually run the club is 10. We will always lose money.

[had.e.nuff]

4 hours ago, MarkBRFC said:

Some pictures on the Rovers website of the players on there first day of pre season training, some eagle eye on facebook has noticed that Paul Caddis is on one of them, on trial maybe?

Picture 15 it is.

I have no idea if it is him or not, no idea what the bloke looks like.

Its good to see Evens has got rid of his blue badge out of his car , any one know if we have a psychiatrist in for training with Stokes.

[Wing Wizard Windy Miller]

3 hours ago, RV Blue said:

Good to see the club looking after former players to be honest.

To be fair though.  Given that Greer couldn't be arsed going to Brentford and did the commentary at forest instead, I wouldn't be doing him any favours!

[Leonard Venkhater]

15 minutes ago, Stuart said:

The bit in bold is a massive issue.

That 'if' is a very big IF. Where is the money coming from in League One to pay the debt repayments? Player sales is the only possible way - and that won't be huge. Next step is to double the season ticket price and double the number of season ticket holders. So fans have to expect that more players are on the way out. The fact Rovers are being so quick of the mark suggests to me that Mowbray is not only replacing those whose contracts have expired but those with any resale value that can help to stabilise the debts.

Now, the 'we': in this context 'we' has to mean 'Team Venkys'. We could not stabilise the current debt without them (unless they clear it before they walk). What the greater 'we' really need is a Venky-free future. In the meantime, we have the choice of watching the football or not watching the football. There is no 'we' that includes Venkys until we are solvent and back as a midtable PL team. (Which really means there is no 'we' that includes Venkys, as far as I'm concerned). Anyone who thinks that needs their bumps felt. They are not on our side, they do what they want, when they want.

'Stabilise'? What does that mean? Keep the debt at over £100m and just keep paying off the interest? So we are rooting for Venkys as part of our indefinite future? Really hope not.

Finally 'debt': whose debt? How is this ever going to be paid back? What if the world moves on and their chicken business can no longer prop us up? Or if one of them becomes ill - they aren't exactly spring chickens? Getting the debt under control means reducing it to a level that could be managed without them. Jack's legacy was to keep us at the top table - and he almost did it for an indefinite stay but for a few shortsighted children. Venkys' legacy has to be to ensure that there is a Blackburn Rovers once they are done with us. Do we have any faith that they will? Writing off £100m is a lot to ask of people who don't even care about football, let alone the club they unapologetically threw under a bus.

A very sobering read, just has I find myself almost slipping down the path of hope...

The business about Rovers being quick off the mark did suggest to me that there was already a plan to sell Mulgrew and Lenihan. Anyway, we will know soon enough. If these new signings are not followed by sales of remaining playing assets, what will I think then? 

The debt thing is interesting. How far is the size of this debt genuine? 

Much of it has been racked up by ridiculous salaries for members of certain agents' client lists, long contracts, pay offs etc,( I include the likes of Kean and Agnew as well as Murphy, Etuhu and Worst etc. I have no doubt that a significant slice of agreed salary and pay off will have found its way to these agents.

So, if these agents are hidden partners, both Venky's and said partners will have been sitting in their hideout, divvying up such rake offs.

I am no financier, but I would want to subtract these gains from the apparent losses.

Anyway, I still find myself pleased by the dealings thus far...but in affairs of the heart, there is no fool like an old fool..

[Swanson]

Mowbray stepping up striker search.

[RV Blue]

Just now, Wing Wizard Windy Miller said:

To be fair though.  Given that Greer couldn't be arsed going to Brentford and did the commentary at forest instead, I wouldn't be doing him any favours!

Good point, completely forgot about that.

[TBTF]

21 hours ago, Bluebandit said:

Is your specialist subject gross over exaggerations? 

I think we must be 1 of the few teams in league 1 who are actually splashing the cash we've just been relegated but instead of dwelling & feeling sorry for ourselves down in the dumps we are actually being proactive & recruiting as a statement of intent that we are serious about getting promoted at the first time of asking. Some people still complain & aren't happy. Deary me.

Yep , that's us splashing the cash -moneybags Rovers.  Lets go down and spend 3 times what have spent in the previous 3 windows on league one players. I'm just a tiny bit worried we end up in debt.

 

[TBTF]

11 hours ago, Bluebandit said:

I envisaged all this when the WT sold up it signified the end of what of you could call the end of a golden era I also knew that there would be a period of decline. It's fair to say mistakes have been plentiful along the way things could/should have been done differently for a myriad of factors. It hasn't transpired to be any different from my premonition. Time is relative 7mins 7hrs 7days 7weeks 7years the end result is still the same. So far I've not been wrong with my feelings I believe now if we can stabilise the debts learn from certain mistakes we can start going up in terms of league standing won't be a overnight thing.

any thoughts on how we might stabilise £130million of debt with turnover of about £11million a year?

[Tom]

4 minutes ago, Swanson said:

Mowbray stepping up striker search.

Sounds to me like Graham will be the main man and he wants someone to be a sub so maybe we shouldn't expect too much!

Wonder if 4-5-1 is the plan 

[JayPeeBee40]

So anyway, strikers. Any clues?

[Swanson]

2 minutes ago, JayPeeBee40 said:

So anyway, strikers. Any clues?

Could Adam Armstrong on loan be a possible target ?

I would get Joao back if there is any chance of that.

[JayPeeBee40]

Like the idea of Armstrong purely from his goals record, but am always wary of signing players that have been involved in a relegation previously.

To be fair about that though, Tommy spurr was a steady performer in the championship for us, having been relegated previously with Doncaster.

[Skiptonrover]

3 hours ago, Stuart said:

The bit in bold is a massive issue.

That 'if' is a very big IF. Where is the money coming from in League One to pay the debt repayments? Player sales is the only possible way - and that won't be huge. Next step is to double the season ticket price and double the number of season ticket holders. So fans have to expect that more players are on the way out. The fact Rovers are being so quick of the mark suggests to me that Mowbray is not only replacing those whose contracts have expired but those with any resale value that can help to stabilise the debts.

Now, the 'we': in this context 'we' has to mean 'Team Venkys'. We could not stabilise the current debt without them (unless they clear it before they walk). What the greater 'we' really need is a Venky-free future. In the meantime, we have the choice of watching the football or not watching the football. There is no 'we' that includes Venkys until we are solvent and back as a midtable PL team. (Which really means there is no 'we' that includes Venkys, as far as I'm concerned). Anyone who thinks that needs their bumps felt. They are not on our side, they do what they want, when they want.

'Stabilise'? What does that mean? Keep the debt at over £100m and just keep paying off the interest? So we are rooting for Venkys as part of our indefinite future? Really hope not.

Finally 'debt': whose debt? How is this ever going to be paid back? What if the world moves on and their chicken business can no longer prop us up? Or if one of them becomes ill - they aren't exactly spring chickens? Getting the debt under control means reducing it to a level that could be managed without them. Jack's legacy was to keep us at the top table - and he almost did it for an indefinite stay but for a few shortsighted children. Venkys' legacy has to be to ensure that there is a Blackburn Rovers once they are done with us. Do we have any faith that they will? Writing off £100m is a lot to ask of people who don't even care about football, let alone the club they unapologetically threw under a bus.

 

You think far too much for my liking. I'd rather invest or misplace my confidence in people who have amassed a fortune by not being stupid. People do not simply become like that by making wrong decisions. The potential is for us to become a stable club once the debt is cleared more support will accelerate that process or we can all squabble & drag our heels. People simply invest to secure a healthy return short term or long term. Last post on this thread I'm done.