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52 minutes ago, 1864roverite said:

Simon without any significant evidence and bear in mind Waggot committed himself to the academy I just don’t see how Rovers will get rid of the academy or DS. Look at the results they are producing it’s in blue and white.

Until I see a plan, an evidenced quote from the club outlining the clubs plan to remove these teams and operations from our footballing ambition then I retain my point of view.

I am not concerned whether you agree or not or as to the opinion you hold.

I think everyone should take a breather an£ let’s await the outcome of the first phase of the application .

 

It's too late once the plans have been passed and Cat 1 status subsequently gets declined!

What's Waggott going to do, say sorry lads we've miscalculated, could you rip those houses down and sell us the land back please?

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57 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

And you take Waggott at his word, because? 

Obviously if Mr. Waggott told us tomorrow that the earth was flat, 1864 would dismiss as hysterical everyone pointing out that that couldn't possibly be right as all available evidence pointed to the contrary!

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21 hours ago, 1864roverite said:

Whilst ultimately concerned about Rovers and their future I do love a good conspiracy 😂 football finances have ever had so much scrutiny so those thinking Mowbray, Waggot and Venus are going to make a quick Buck or two before leaving are to be frank seriously deluded!

So hypothetically, if you had identified a piece of land that had potential for development, used your influence with the owner of the land to persuade them to sell, obtained planning permission and alerted developers you wouldn't expect (a perfectly legal) "finders fee" off the developers?

And what would any arrangements between you and the developers have to do with the finances of the seller? Wouldn't affect them at all.

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On 12/03/2021 at 10:00, only2garners said:

Simon - my first post was responding to someone asking why there are no detailed plans for the new training centre and I just went on to outline my view that the project is years from any completion and may not happen at all. It wasn't a comment one way or the other on the project's desirability.

Yes, but if it was me I would have qualified that comment along the lines that whilst that was what the Club had said, my own view was that it was extremely odd there was no detail whatsoever available about the proposed new combined training centre as without that it was impossible to say whether it would be a desirable thing or not. I realise you're a lot more diplomatic than me but there you go.

Would you mind me asking what your own view is on the desirability of the project?

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1 hour ago, RevidgeBlue said:

So hypothetically, if you had identified a piece of land that had potential for development, used your influence with the owner of the land to persuade them to sell, obtained planning permission and alerted developers you wouldn't expect (a perfectly legal) "finders fee" off the developers?

And what would any arrangements between you and the developers have to do with the finances of the seller? Wouldn't affect them at all.

Land sales/property investment is really not my strong suit.

What is your working hypothesis about all the different ways that club employees could make personal gain from this?

If it is unwise/too unsafe to make a public post PM me...It sounds like I need to sharpen my own awareness....

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It's crazy to assume some people in the middle of all this won't make themselves a nice bonus. Nothing illegal about it either it's just the way these things work although taking advantage of a situation raises moral questions.

Finders fees, commission, sweentners, holding fees or just a plain old bonus.

Not a bad gig if you can justify your position by bringing millions in, cover your own wages whilst you've been here AND get a cherry on top.

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2 minutes ago, tomphil said:

It's crazy to assume some people in the middle of all this won't make themselves a nice bonus. Nothing illegal about it either it's just the way these things work although taking advantage of a situation raises moral questions.

Finders fees, commission, sweentners, holding fees or just a plain old bonus.

Not a bad gig if you can justify your position by bringing millions in, cover your own wages whilst you've been here AND get a cherry on top.

BUT....as an employee of the club, I would expect that all moneys ought to go back to into the club....I guess that would require owners, who were vigilant anf had processes of scrutiny in place....

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28 minutes ago, Leonard Venkhater said:

Land sales/property investment is really not my strong suit.

What is your working hypothesis about all the different ways that club employees could make personal gain from this?

If it is unwise/too unsafe to make a public post PM me...It sounds like I need to sharpen my own awareness....

Just trying to make sense of why anyone would want to bother with a scheme which will leave us with worse facilities than the ones we already have, will almost certainly lose us Category 1 Academy  Status, will probably leave us with nowhere at all to train for a considerable period and which we are told , may need the owners to fork out yet again to meet any shortfall!

No suggestion at all anything illegal would be going on but as matt says it appears on the face of it that it appears to raise moral issues.

 

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4 minutes ago, tomphil said:

Time Madame ordered another audit i think....

She is that careful, she had two done last time. Despite that, we carried on losing millions every year. 
 

They are still being badly advised, by the looks of things. 

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29 minutes ago, Leonard Venkhater said:

BUT....as an employee of the club, I would expect that all moneys ought to go back to into the club....I guess that would require owners, who were vigilant anf had processes of scrutiny in place....

I've been told and would fully expect that Waggott is on some sort of performance related pay or bonus system. That would make sense - the more money he saves/delivers the more he takes home. It would explain his attempts to hit his targets - running cash competitions to hit his magical season ticket target.

Now if he delivers this project, which brings in millions in extra cash and also saves substantial amounts every year on running costs, I think it is entirely plausible that he will get some sort of reward for doing so. In fact I'd be absolutely amazed if he was overseeing a project of this nature through to delivery and not doing.

As above, it isn't illegal or dodgy, but the project itself isn't in the club's long term interests, I'm sure of that.

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4 minutes ago, JHRover said:

I've been told and would fully expect that Waggott is on some sort of performance related pay or bonus system. That would make sense - the more money he saves/delivers the more he takes home. It would explain his attempts to hit his targets - running cash competitions to hit his magical season ticket target.

Now if he delivers this project, which brings in millions in extra cash and also saves substantial amounts every year on running costs, I think it is entirely plausible that he will get some sort of reward for doing so. In fact I'd be absolutely amazed if he was overseeing a project of this nature through to delivery and not doing.

As above, it isn't illegal or dodgy, but the project itself isn't in the club's long term interests, I'm sure of that.

Hitting the target..missing the point !

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Extraordinary really that a decade on we have owners that are still content for a prestigious football club with a relatively large turnover to not bother with a proper recruitment process for the top executive positions, indeed are happy enough for former agent spivs that have already popped up at various lower league outfits to run the place into the ground.

I’d take pleasure in the fools repeatedly having their pants pulled down if it wasn’t so tragic for our football club.

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11 minutes ago, JHRover said:

Now if he delivers this project, which brings in millions in extra cash and also saves substantial amounts every year

If that was the case it would be a rationale, yet he appears to be claiming the owners may well have to fork out towards it.

Who commits to any sort of redevelopment project without any idea of the likely cost?

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Just now, RevidgeBlue said:

If that was the case it would be a rationale, yet he appears to be claiming the owners may well have to fork out towards it.

Who commits to any sort of redevelopment project without any idea of the likely cost?

Because that part is a lie, aimed at shielding Venkys from criticism and to convince people that the motivation isn't financial when it is.

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1 hour ago, JHRover said:

Because that part is a lie, aimed at shielding Venkys from criticism and to convince people that the motivation isn't financial when it is.

Exactamundo.

The sooner we all get our heads around this the sooner we can combine our efforts towards the removal of these scumbags.

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I've looked mainly from a distance on here of late about anything Rovers, as I'm running on empty with regards to the passion and love I've had over more than 50yrs being a fan.

 

What irks me most is this total mismanagement will continue until the Venkys leave or we go out of existence. Nobody really knows if the debt £190+ is something they can claw back, either way the club is being diluted, stript back or asset stript (take your pick).

 

The Venkys are in to deep in my opinion so this downward spiral will continue till either of the above happens and we have no club left.

 

Another thing that gets to me is some members that are very vocal on this topic are the one's that looked down their noses at members advocating Venkys out and voiced it on here as their was clearly only one way this was going. Myself, arbitro, Clayton's left boot to name a few where outside Ewood wanting Venkys out and the apathy and distain towards us was soul-destroying, now some are on here with what seems like the pennies has finally dropped, but sadly maybe to later IMO.

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4 hours ago, JHRover said:

Because that part is a lie, aimed at shielding Venkys from criticism and to convince people that the motivation isn't financial when it is.

If that's the case it would sound like this is why he in particular was recruited. Having previous for this kind of project. 

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1 minute ago, tomphil said:

If that's the case it would sound like this is why he in particular was recruited. Having previous for this kind of project. 

I don't believe that.  The business has taken a hit worldwide , about 500m down from what I can see.  Time to consolidate from their point of view.  They could realise 150m from the land potentially and would it really make any difference to the 1st team that we dont have teams below U10.....nope.

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3 hours ago, funny-old-game said:

 Myself, arbitro, Clayton's left boot to name a few where outside Ewood wanting Venkys out and the apathy and distain towards us was soul-destroying, now some are on here with what seems like the pennies has finally dropped, but sadly maybe to later IMO.

Never too late to protest against Venky's ownership. I feel duty bound to continue whenever possible.

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10 hours ago, Sparks Rover said:

I don't believe that.  The business has taken a hit worldwide , about 500m down from what I can see.  Time to consolidate from their point of view.  They could realise 150m from the land potentially and would it really make any difference to the 1st team that we dont have teams below U10.....nope.

150M? They’re selling the land, not developing the houses themselves. They’ll be lucky to get 20M from knocking down the STC and selling the land. I could accept it if it was 150M. 

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