England

[joey_big_nose]

I've always thought Southgate has got more out of the sum of the squads parts. But last 12 months started thinking thats no longer the case.

Today some major tactical errors. Our offensive players saw very little of the ball. Italy should have won by more. Team didn't look motivated. Tried some changes which gave us a brief offensive boost, but more fragile defensively. Didn't have a single period of dominance against Italy who - while European champions - didn't qualify for the world cup, and just lost 5-0 against Germany.

Hmmm.

[roverandout]

4 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

We should be so lucky to get that far with dollopers like Maguire and Dier in defence.

Maguire and dier have been solid. Its the lack of urgency going forward that's cost us

[had.e.nuff]

i hope C4 are not covering the world cup we have not won since they took over covering the games

[Hasta]

8 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

Just organise friendlies against top sides then, no? Which to be fair to the FA, they largely were doing in the couple of years before the NL was set up.

So what’s the problem with it then if the solution is to organise these games anyway?

What it does do is give other European countries a shot at some success they might not normally get. If Hungary were to win the finals next summer, do you think they’d see it as forgettable. If Israel or Montenegro win in group B and get promoted to Group A, they will see that as some success and progress.  International football Iis not all about the European superpowers winning the Euros and Worlds.

It’s also a simple format to follow. I just don’t see the problem with it.
 

Edited September 23, 2022 by Hasta

[Tugayisgod]

Sterling is, was and always will be dog shit. The guy steals a living

[Hasta]

In other news, Foden looks a bit shitter without KDB and Co. around him

[joey_big_nose]

2 minutes ago, roverandout said:

Maguire and dier have been solid. Its the lack of urgency going forward that's cost us

Agreed... Really just felt very similar to Luton Vs Rovers. Missing a player in midfield, wide players barely involved. Never ever got going.

[simongarnerisgod]

they could play this garbage on a tuesday night and give us our saturday matches back

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

4 minutes ago, Hasta said:

In other news, Foden looks a bit shitter without KDB and Co. around him

I forgot he was playing in the second half.

[Proudtobeblue&white]

Relegated, perhaps we'll get San Marino?

[roverandout]

When was the last time we had a good tactical manager? Hoddle?

[Cherry Blue]

Although Le Saux talked shite he was right to point out Southgate's poor system of 3 at the back with no one feeding creative players. Why was King on the field? Popes distribution did nothing. Sterling's had it. Walker played like he's had a few beers. 

C4 doesn't have the experience to cover football. Ok they need to show adverts for revenue but there she goes again with "more reaction after the break". 

Two final thoughts:

1) Don't show football on C4 ever again

2) Sack Southgate

Edited September 23, 2022 by Cherry Blue

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

14 minutes ago, Proudtobeblue&white said:

Very poor, manager needs to go.

I like Southgate as a person but as an England manager ? Never in a million years. 

[Mattyblue]

11 minutes ago, Hasta said:

So what’s the problem with it then if the solution is to organise these games anyway?

What it does do is give other European countries a shot at some success they might not normally get. If Hungary were to win the finals next summer, do you think they’d see it as forgettable. If Israel or Montenegro win in group B and get promoted to Group A, they will see that as some success and progress.  International football Iis not all about the European superpowers winning the Euros and Worlds.

It’s also a simple format to follow. I just don’t see the problem with it.
 

International football has been based on tournament football for nearly a 100 years. Just the way it is and inventing a ‘league’ in 2016 isn’t going to change that. 

I’d personally only have tournaments and their qualifiers, plus tournament warm up games. All in one block of fixtures and not a constant break up of the season.

Though as I largely don’t give a shite about international football anyway. (I.è I’d probably choose Rovers winning next Saturday then England win the WC), I’m probably not the target market and I’ll leave you NL fanboys to it 😁

Edited September 23, 2022 by Mattyblue

[roverandout]

Southgate deserves credit for giving us some great memories but like Mowbray (who didn't give us many great memories ) he's run his course 

[roverandout]

7 minutes ago, Cherry Blue said:

Although Le Saux talked shite he was right to point out Southgate's system of 3 at the back with no one feeding creative players is right. Why was King on the field? Popes distribution did nothing. Sterling's had it. Walker played like he's had a few beers. 

C4 doesn't have the experience to cover football. Ok they need to show adverts for revenue but there she goes again with "more reaction after the break". 

Two final thoughts:

1) Don't show football on C4 ever again

2) Sack Southgate

I think walker was unfit as he's only just come back from injury 

[joey_big_nose]

3 minutes ago, roverandout said:

When was the last time we had a good tactical manager? Hoddle?

Thought Southgate has generally been tactically very good for most of his time. We had a weak squad in 2018 and a decent but patchy squad in 2021 but got to the semis and final and looked competitive even when we went out. Totally tactically did the Germans in 2021.

But he's all at sea at the moment, and with a very good set of players 

[simongarnerisgod]

1 minute ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I like Southgate as a person but as an England manager ? Never in a million years. 

he only got the job because he`s never likely to say or do anything remotely controversial,a perfect fa appointment,look at the history of who did`nt get the job despite being the best candidate

[Silas]

24 minutes ago, Herbie6590 said:

The last handful of England games have dampened down expectations to a level where Wales & the USA are rubbing their hands...

Tbf I'd prefer that to the standard over-hype. 

[rigger]

24 minutes ago, Hasta said:

So what’s the problem with it then if the solution is to organise these games anyway?

What it does do is give other European countries a shot at some success they might not normally get. If Hungary were to win the finals next summer, do you think they’d see it as forgettable. If Israel or Montenegro win in group B and get promoted to Group A, they will see that as some success and progress.  International football Iis not all about the European superpowers winning the Euros and Worlds.

It’s also a simple format to follow. I just don’t see the problem with it.
 

Because in an already congested season, games in the domestic leagues are being postponed. 

Edited September 23, 2022 by rigger

[joey_big_nose]

1 minute ago, simongarnerisgod said:

he only got the job because he`s never likely to say or do anything remotely controversial,a perfect fa appointment,look at the history of who did`nt get the job despite being the best candidate

To be fair he is the most successful England manager since Alf Ramsey. I know there's a lot of soft draw chat etc, but he made a semi and a final in back to back tournaments and no one has got remotely near that in 50 years.

I have a vague hope that he'll find a the right setup in the next 50 days. Looks a bit fanciful though atm.

[Hasta]

14 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

Though as I largely don’t give a shite about international football anyway. (I.è I’d probably choose Rovers winning next Saturday then England win the WC), I’m probably not the target market and I’ll leave you NL fanboys to if 😁

I started a post earlier with ‘accepting that there will be an international break’.

If you were arguing to never cancel domestic weekend football, and just play the odd international on a Wednesday night then hell yeah. I’d be all for that.

 

Edited September 23, 2022 by Hasta

[Hasta]

3 minutes ago, rigger said:

Because in an already congested season, games in the domestic leagues are being postponed. 

I’ve already said I’d rather not have international breaks and continue the domestic season. But IF we are to have international breaks, I’d rather this than friendlies. 

[roverandout]

Rovers are just as turgid as England so I would rather no football 

[chaddyrovers]

Didn't watched the game but from what I read about it, it's wasn't our beat game but I wouldn't be playing 3-4-3 but go back to playing 4-2-3-1 with 3-5-2 as plan B. I know what my starting 11 would be right now

 

1 hour ago, magicalmortensleftpeg said:

You’ve missed the point. The nations league isn’t intended to compete with the World Cup, it’s designed to produce games that have more significance than friendlies, which it does.

No I didn't missed the point at all. The Nations League is shite and need scraping asap. Another pointless effort from UEFA. Just have fewer international games and breaks in the season.