January Transfer Window.

[roverandout]

Broughton's words are meaningless.  That's all we ever get out of rovers...words.  never any action.  The fuck up is partly down to the board having no accountability.  There's no risk to their jobs so complacency steps in. If these higher ups were under real pressure they would make sure things were done right.  It's a jolly boys club 

Edited February 3, 2023 by roverandout

[Mercer]

45 minutes ago, JoeH said:

Again, he wasn't "jollying" it up. Everyone was where they should be in a normal football workplace environment doing their duties. There is no conspiracy with him being at the game.

Think you miss the point.

With potentially big calls to be made in the final hours of deadline day, the CEO should have been there were all the action was taking place whether that be at a hotel in Manchester, Ewood Park or Brockhall.

Same applies to Pasha.

Absolutely indefensible.

If they wanted a senior figure at Brum then Bob Coar could and should have stepped in.

[RoverKyle]

After 12 years of this pathetic regime, I genuinely thought I'd be a bit numb to the disappointment now, but this has completely thrown me. When Mowbray was finally moved on and GB & JDT were brought in, it genuinely felt like we were turning a corner. They've said all the right things, signed reasonably well, tied down some players and got us into a good league position. I think people could fairly criticise the way we've played for most of this season and possibly question some of the other points, but on the whole things have looked promising, or at least more promising than they have done for a while.

For a second season running we've found ourselves unexpectedly challenging for the playoffs and in a strong position to add some quality in the January window. And yet again we've failed to do anything to strengthen our position. Even if this O'Brien deal had got over the line, it was clear and obvious we needed a striker, even without Hirst being sent back to Leicester. Pure incompetence shown by the club and it shows how much of a job GB has on his hands to get things right. Literally just watched the GB interview and still believe he's a big asset to the club. Really hoping he can get things right for the summer, as we'll have a lot of work to do when Brereton leaves on a free. 

[Sparks Rover]

5 minutes ago, JoeH said:

I'd hazard a guess he was put up in The Avenue, a solid 25 steps from the front door of the training ground.

Nope they were having a meal in Manchester until 9pm.  Ethan Brierly left Manchester at 8.30pm, the others a bit later..  doesn't leave much time to sort out.

Broughton Out.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Mercer said:

Think you miss the point.

With potentially big calls to be made in the final hours of deadline day, the CEO should have been there were all the action was taking place whether that be at a hotel in Manchester, Ewood Park or Brockhall.

Same applies to Pasha.

Absolutely indefensible.

If they wanted a senior figure at Brum then Bob Coar could and should have stepped in.

I simply disagree, we have people employed to do that side of things. Steve Waggott staring over me whilst I tried to run through my medical checklist would do the opposite of speed things along hahah

[goozburger]

1 minute ago, JoeH said:

I'd hazard a guess he was put up in The Avenue, a solid 25 steps from the front door of the training ground.

I quote, word for word:

"Obviously Lewis had only just been told by Nottingham Forest, so I had to make sure he was OK, we'll make sure he'd had food, all of the stuff you needed to do to look after him, and then we left Manchester..."

They f*cked around in Manchester for too long, didn't they? 🤦‍♂️

[Trinidad Rover]

36 minutes ago, BRFC_Polky said:

1) GB takes full and sole responsibility.

2) Brierley to be completed in the summer with an agreement in place with Rochdale

 

Well, total balls up. 

My view, at last we have someone front up to 1. take responsibility 2. show some accountability 3. APOLOGISE

That hasn't happened in 12 years. 

Couple of points:

1. JDT sounds furious. Timer on him being at Rovers now.

2. Thought the interviewer asked all the right questions - also not happened very often. Fair play

3. GB looks like a rabbit in the headlights. Not sure he will be here long.

Cannot sweep this under the carpet based on one interview. Action is needed and goodness knows what the consequence of this will be for the club. 

Finally, that can't have been easy for GB to do all the above. Doesn't excuse it or change it, but we are all human and unlike previous crap that has happened, this was naïve rather than corrupt (I hope). 

Edited February 3, 2023 by Trinidad Rover

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Sparks Rover said:

Broughton Out.

Get a chant going 🙄

[Ewood Ace]

49 minutes ago, JoeH said:

Again, he wasn't "jollying" it up. Everyone was where they should be in a normal football workplace environment doing their duties. There is no conspiracy with him being at the game.

The club were attempting to complete what could have potentially been a club record deal, the most senior executive at the club should be prioritising that over enjoying the corporate hospitality at St Andrews. 

[Sweaty Gussets]

1 minute ago, JoeH said:

Get a chant going 🙄

You seem incredibly defensive, Joe? 

Do you deal with recruitment at Barrow? 

[ben_the_beast]

6 minutes ago, Madon said:

Good interview. We've waited ten years for someone to come out and take some responsibility for the shit show that is Blackburn Rovers. To my knowledge he is the first to do it, fair play. 

Big summer coming up, they better give JDT whatever he wants.

Agreed. I think Broughton hits on most of the points made on here. An apology, admitting communication has been poor and is as honest and transparent as he can possibly be whilst the appeal process is ongoing. I also appreciate his honesty around having little hope the appeal will be successful. 

It's clear to me that somebody in the process (Silvester) has let him down. If he were to point the finger directly at him, people would level the same criticism at him that we are at Waggot and many others. That he's all about self preservation and trying to shift the blame. Broughton taking full responsibility at this moment doesn't excuse what has happened, however its the right thing to do. 

Personally I have faith that he will ensure this doesn't happen again. Calling for him to step down is calling for the only open/honest bunch of the lot to step aside. 

[Gamst]

Maybe I’m naive, but I think that interview took some balls and I’m impressed. None of us know what happens behind the scenes, but I think we need more people like GB and JDT and less like Waggott and Sylvester. Hopefully this sorry affair helps us get there. 

[RoversClitheroe]

4 minutes ago, JoeH said:

I simply disagree, we have people employed to do that side of things. Steve Waggott staring over me whilst I tried to run through my medical checklist would do the opposite of speed things along hahah

Sorry Joe, have been reading your messages.

A CEO in a normal organisation should be overseeing the biggest day in January.

It's the CEOs responsibility.

He should never ever be getting wined and dined by Brum hospitality on a match day on deadline and should have 100000% been at Brockhall

 

Edited February 3, 2023 by RoversClitheroe
Why's it hidden?

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Sweaty Gussets said:

You seem incredibly defensive, Joe? 

 

I have an opinion. Don't attack me personally for sharing it. I am a person, not my job.

[wilsdenrover]

6 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

It was partly in jest - maybe I need to learn to use emojis!

I’ll watch the interview now and come back to you.

I’m enjoying the debate

 

 

Am I allowed to quote myself??

@JoeH - I’ve now watched the video - I think it’s a perfectly acceptable ‘holding position’ whilst they investigate  further - though I’m unsure how he says the buck stops with him before this investigation has been concluded.  

I certainly think it’s more information than we would have been given pre his appointment but I wish he had been able to talk about how good a signing O’Brien would have been  instead.

As always, it’s actions not words that are important - I think they need to investigate quickly, but thoroughly and of course inform the fans of the outcome of this is an open and honest manner.
 

 

[Sweaty Gussets]

A lesson in:

How to take full responsibility without taking any responsibility.

I'm amazed anyone has bought that PR bullshit. 

He told us nothing we don't already know. 

[G Somerset Rover]

Couple of thoughts on GB’s interview:

- He almost looked tearful. I’m pleased he’s fuming and upset about this. Likewise JDT.

- The Brierley one has actually worked out perfectly as he can continue getting minutes in men’s football for six more months.

- I hope this has opened GB’s eyes as to how every single aspect at the club needs overhauling. Seems he was reliant on some areas continuing as they were. He was very wrong.

- Whilst he is accepting responsibility, I hope the actual culprits (guessing Silvester) are getting a king sized rocket shoved up their arses.

Edited February 3, 2023 by Gavlar Somerset Rover!

[Miller11]

I expect there are people/person very relieved Greg has taken a bullet for them. I think he’s right with a lot of what he says, ultimately it is his responsibility to get deals over the line.

Although he’s come out and fronted it up, I still get the impression there is very much a siege mentality at Rovers. This is damage limitation and these responses will have been very clearly planned out and agreed between all the senior people with the aim of placating the fans, or at least dampening a bit of the backlash.

He told us to judge him on his actions and not his words after the last window, so he’s putting a great big blot in his own copybook here. He’s new enough and came with enough good will to take one for the team.

[TugaysMarlboro]

17 minutes ago, oldjamfan1 said:

I'm a Chief Executive, albeit of a smaller organisation than The Rovers. I delegate responsibility but I sure as hell don't abdicate it.

95% of the time I don't need to be hands on, but if there's anything particularly important (e.g. involving the regulator or a H & S matter) I will make a risk assessment and on that basis decide whether my presence is required. In this case I am pretty sure I would not have travelled to Birmingham in Waggott's position and I think it is a huge error of judgement on his part.

Entirely what I was thinking when I saw JoeH's post around it not being unusual for Waggot to be at Birmingham.

He may well attend games regularly, but there was zero common sense approach on Wednesday. What would have a bigger impact on our season as a whole? Him watching us make it through to the 5th round of the FA Cup, or ensuring a smooth ending to the transfer window with a potential game changing player walking through the door?

[Ghost7]

If the business isn't functioning correctly (and we can't pretend that it is) who's responsibility is that? It's certainly someone's at the top.

I do not think this is on Broughton at all but good to see him step up, communicate and clearly take all of the flak publicly for what is likely someone else's error.

Fair play to him. It's being owned as a major f*ck up by the club and will take some recovering internally, and with the fans.

I like Broughton... he's clearly an intelligent guy and the kind of person we must have around the place for the future. He's bound to have inherited some incompetent colleagues and change is needed.

JDT and Broughton coming in didn't quite feel like enough at the time and it has proved to be the case. The senior management team needs fixing, personnel (and processes) but Broughton seems to me like one of the best we've had in years.

We must get rid of the dinosaurs around him.

[Mike E]

3 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said:

Sorry Joe, have been reading your messages.

A CEO in a normal organisation should be overseeing the biggest day in January.

It's the CEOs responsibility.

He should never ever be getting wined and dined by Brum hospitality on a match day on deadline and should have 100000% been at Brockhall

 

Can't explain why this got hidden, as it wasn't at our end (we can always see which mod -or the member themselves- hides a post).

Yours simply said 'Hidden'.

Any suggestions @J*B @StubbsUK?

[Sweaty Gussets]

1 minute ago, JoeH said:

I have an opinion. Don't attack me personally for sharing it. I am a person, not my job.

Where did I attack you personally? You were 'attacking' Sparks with a slightly odd sarcastic response, and I merely asked why you were so defensive?

I also merely asked if you were involved in recruitment at Barrow? I only know you are at Barrow because you posted it on this forum. 

So, any answers? 

[Gav]

8 minutes ago, Mercer said:

Think you miss the point.

With potentially big calls to be made in the final hours of deadline day, the CEO should have been there were all the action was taking place whether that be at a hotel in Manchester, Ewood Park or Brockhall.

Same applies to Pasha.

Absolutely indefensible.

If they wanted a senior figure at Brum then Bob Coar could and should have stepped in.

Far be it from me to stick up for the corridors of no power down at Ewood, but....

Jack Walker, Bill Fox, Rob Coar and John Willaims didn't miss games to sign players or sell players, what a load of bunkum Mercer.

[JHRover]

Having watched Broughton's interview, despite his claims of ultimate responsibility, I am even more convinced of the opposite.

His demeanour is a far cry from that of last summer when he was confident and assertive in his interviews. He looks panic stricken, distressed, confused, and makes multiple references to 'internal factors', which he won't elaborate on.

As with all his predecessors he is very quick to avoid sending any blame in the owners' direction (presumably the only way anyone gets sacked at Rovers is if they go after the owners). He is silent as to the two goons in the shadows.

As was predicted when Broughton was appointed and as I expected a couple of days ago they will make him into the fall guy. They will want the fans and manager to direct anger towards him and he takes all the grief on that front. Waggott avoids any such scrutiny or accountability, as does the shadow man. Almost as though this was the plan all along?

A familiar pattern emerges with Broughton and JDT as with previous ambitious people who entered the mad house of Venky Rovers and get worn down by it. Demeanour visibly changes.

I've been impressed with Broughton thus far and I think his appointment was a welcome one. Unfortunately I think he and JDT are now learning the hard way what they are up against.

And I keep on coming back to the point that this is nothing new. We've had very similar stuff for the last 4-5 January windows. Can't blame Broughton for those windows, so let's look at the constants in the failure.

[Mercer]

5 minutes ago, JoeH said:

I simply disagree, we have people employed to do that side of things. Steve Waggott staring over me whilst I tried to run through my medical checklist would do the opposite of speed things along hahah

That is not the point.

A potential business transaction can be varied on a very regular basis right up until closure.  A deal is not done until it's over the line.  If I had a £1million for every business transaction I've been party to that has changed closed to completion then I would be an extremely wealthy man perhaps even able to buy Rovers myself!