Cherry Blue Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 44 minutes ago, Upside Down said: Good business there Rovers. Sell our best player for at least half of his actual worth and reinvest absolutely nothing. Almost as though they are trying to deliberately get us relegated..... And to rub salt in, Rovers ceo (well I mean that chap who works for venkys) states we might even make a profif this year. Music to venky's ears because their ownership of Rovers is nothing to do with football. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Upside Down Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 11 minutes ago, Cherry Blue said: And to rub salt in, Rovers ceo (well I mean that chap who works for venkys) states we might even make a profif this year. Music to venky's ears because their ownership of Rovers is nothing to do with football. Unless there's gambling involved somewhere.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alcd Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 2 hours ago, Cherry Blue said: And to rub salt in, Rovers ceo (well I mean that chap who works for venkys) states we might even make a profif this year. Music to venky's ears because their ownership of Rovers is nothing to do with football. How in God's name can they not make a significant ie £10m+ profit this season having sold Wharton for £18m and summer sales of £5m?? Anything less than that makes me think there's some nefarious dealings going on. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABBEY Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 14 hours ago, roverandout said: Adam Wharton named palace's player of the match again on BBC website Don't care ..hope Palace never win except for against dingles.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluebruce Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 On 09/03/2024 at 23:19, alcd said: How in God's name can they not make a significant ie £10m+ profit this season having sold Wharton for £18m and summer sales of £5m?? Anything less than that makes me think there's some nefarious dealings going on. Given that we lose 20 million most seasons (apparently...though I do think this looks suspicious in itself given we constantly slash the wage bill and rarely spend whilst selling a fair few assets), that 23 million, minus about a million spent on acquisitions, would theoretically change the picture to about 2 million profit, not 10 mill plus. Ignoring any loan, signing on and agent fees. When you factor in that the money received from sales won't come all at once and will be drizzled over at least 3 seasons...if the slim possibility of Venkys being refused the right to send us money in this hearing transpires, we will probably end up declaring a loss! Which is sickening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alcd Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 11 minutes ago, bluebruce said: Given that we lose 20 million most seasons (apparently...though I do think this looks suspicious in itself given we constantly slash the wage bill and rarely spend whilst selling a fair few assets), that 23 million, minus about a million spent on acquisitions, would theoretically change the picture to about 2 million profit, not 10 mill plus. Ignoring any loan, signing on and agent fees. When you factor in that the money received from sales won't come all at once and will be drizzled over at least 3 seasons...if the slim possibility of Venkys being refused the right to send us money in this hearing transpires, we will probably end up declaring a loss! Which is sickening. Transfer fees are accounted for based on the total fee payable - in this case c£18m - and the unpaid balance is in debtors on the balance sheet so a loss in this accounting period is inconceivable. The operating loss before transfer income should be no more than £15m. If it is questions need to be asked about some of the non-wage items in the accounts. Particularly what are Venkys taking out as management charges? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluebruce Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 (edited) 14 minutes ago, alcd said: Transfer fees are accounted for based on the total fee payable - in this case c£18m - and the unpaid balance is in debtors on the balance sheet so a loss in this accounting period is inconceivable. The operating loss before transfer income should be no more than £15m. If it is questions need to be asked about some of the non-wage items in the accounts. Particularly what are Venkys taking out as management charges? Not sure what you mean, the common convention is that transfer fees are amortised in the accounts over the length of the contract. I've also never heard of Venkys taking anything out of the club as 'management charges' in previous accounts, though I stand to be corrected. That said I do suspect some dodgy accounting has happened, we seem to make losses no matter what according to the accounts. Edited March 12 by bluebruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilsdenrover Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 1 hour ago, bluebruce said: Not sure what you mean, the common convention is that transfer fees are amortised in the accounts over the length of the contract. I've also never heard of Venkys taking anything out of the club as 'management charges' in previous accounts, though I stand to be corrected. That said I do suspect some dodgy accounting has happened, we seem to make losses no matter what according to the accounts. That’s for transfer fees spent, not those received. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alcd Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 5 hours ago, bluebruce said: Not sure what you mean, the common convention is that transfer fees are amortised in the accounts over the length of the contract. I've also never heard of Venkys taking anything out of the club as 'management charges' in previous accounts, though I stand to be corrected. That said I do suspect some dodgy accounting has happened, we seem to make losses no matter what according to the accounts. No, the purchaser amortises the expenditure over the length of the contract. The vendors profit is taken in the year of sale and is calculated as the difference between the entire proceeds and the written down cost of the amortised asset. In the case of Wharton that's a £18m profit in this seasons accounts. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islander200 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Not in the England under 21 squad.He should be 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey_big_nose Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 4 minutes ago, islander200 said: Not in the England under 21 squad.He should be Surprised by that? I thought he was very established at that level and playing well for Palace in the Premier League? Is he injured? What's funny / depressing is Tyler Morton has ben called up despite playing at Hull and being - as anyone can see - a much inferior player. EDIT - just looked it up and Adam has never played for the U-21 - just the U-20... wow. Pretty amazing a player can be sold for £20M+ and not even get a U-21 call up. Shows the strength England has now in the youth teams. Harvey Elliott despite playing a key role for the team at the top of the table still not made his senior debut yet. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluebruce Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 2 hours ago, joey_big_nose said: Surprised by that? I thought he was very established at that level and playing well for Palace in the Premier League? Is he injured? What's funny / depressing is Tyler Morton has ben called up despite playing at Hull and being - as anyone can see - a much inferior player. EDIT - just looked it up and Adam has never played for the U-21 - just the U-20... wow. Pretty amazing a player can be sold for £20M+ and not even get a U-21 call up. Shows the strength England has now in the youth teams. Harvey Elliott despite playing a key role for the team at the top of the table still not made his senior debut yet. I'm not sure it shows the strength of it though if Morton is being called up before Wharton. Just that whoever is selecting the squad is a total fuckwit. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreams of 1995 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 6 hours ago, joey_big_nose said: Surprised by that? I thought he was very established at that level and playing well for Palace in the Premier League? Is he injured? What's funny / depressing is Tyler Morton has ben called up despite playing at Hull and being - as anyone can see - a much inferior player. EDIT - just looked it up and Adam has never played for the U-21 - just the U-20... wow. Pretty amazing a player can be sold for £20M+ and not even get a U-21 call up. Shows the strength England has now in the youth teams. Harvey Elliott despite playing a key role for the team at the top of the table still not made his senior debut yet. Harvey Elliott not being called up is as much a criticism of Southgate than it is testament to our strength in depth Solanke should have had a chance this time around as well 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilInBristol Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 6 hours ago, joey_big_nose said: Surprised by that? I thought he was very established at that level and playing well for Palace in the Premier League? Is he injured? What's funny / depressing is Tyler Morton has ben called up despite playing at Hull and being - as anyone can see - a much inferior player. EDIT - just looked it up and Adam has never played for the U-21 - just the U-20... wow. Pretty amazing a player can be sold for £20M+ and not even get a U-21 call up. Shows the strength England has now in the youth teams. Harvey Elliott despite playing a key role for the team at the top of the table still not made his senior debut yet. Just shows how biased some of these coaches and scouts are. We aren't respected as a club either because of the shit show we are operating at 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Upside Down Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 (edited) 1 hour ago, NeilInBristol said: Just shows how biased some of these coaches and scouts are. We aren't respected as a club either because of the shit show we are operating at We've never had any respect from any of them. Fuck em. We've won more league titles than Tottenham Hotspur and West Ham combined. Edited March 15 by Upside Down 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipl Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 Strange how Wharton is Palace player of the match every time I look at. the ratings yet not good enough for England under 21s 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrone Shoelaces Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 (edited) On 15/03/2024 at 11:01, islander200 said: Not in the England under 21 squad.He should be Yet this lad at Man Utd can play about 20 games and go straight in the England first team squad. Edited March 20 by Tyrone Shoelaces 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post G Somerset Rover Posted March 20 Popular Post Share Posted March 20 Proof if needed that being recognised at international level is really a load of bollocks. The difference in ability between Morton and Wharton really is night and day yet the former gets a regular spot at that level purely because of his parent club. 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torgeir Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 I can't get myself to watch Palace's games for the sake of seeing Wharton in action. Not yet anwyay. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeCee Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 43 minutes ago, Torgeir said: I can't get myself to watch Palace's games for the sake of seeing Wharton in action. Not yet anwyay. That's the only reason I would watch Palace. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rigger Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 1 hour ago, DeeCee said: That's the only reason I would watch Palace. There is no reason I would watch Palace. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Upside Down Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 8 hours ago, G Somerset Rover said: Proof if needed that being recognised at international level is really a load of bollocks. The difference in ability between Morton and Wharton really is night and day yet the former gets a regular spot at that level purely because of his parent club. That's the way it's always been. Fuck off England. I love watching that shit team lose, it brings me joy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simongarnerisgod Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 8 hours ago, G Somerset Rover said: Proof if needed that being recognised at international level is really a load of bollocks. The difference in ability between Morton and Wharton really is night and day yet the former gets a regular spot at that level purely because of his parent club. always has been nepotismic the england set up,there must be dozens of cases where better players hardly got a look in because they did`nt play for any one of the big four (man utd,liverpool,arsenal or spurs) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riverholmes Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 (edited) To be fair to England U21 set-up, Wharton has done ok but Palace have still been struggling, though, there's been a bit of an uptick and Wharton has not been finishing games regularly. I think I remember reading him being hooked around 70-80 minutes past couple of games. And, he has had his dodgy moments, like on his debut when he gave the ball away, I think, for a conceded goal and got called out by Roy Hodgson. I think he is still settling in and building his fitness and intensity, so - being charitable here - England might be thinking of that, as well as going with tried and tested. Looking at that England U21 team, it seems mixed, some really promising players and then others, like Stansfield, who, I'm not sure is on the same level. Though, to be fair, he's got a few goals this season in a struggling Brum side. Edited March 20 by riverholmes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldjamfan1 Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 15 hours ago, simongarnerisgod said: always has been nepotismic the england set up,there must be dozens of cases where better players hardly got a look in because they did`nt play for any one of the big four (man utd,liverpool,arsenal or spurs) 'Twas ever thus. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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