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7 minutes ago, JHRover said:

If we need to save money why did Mowbray allow tens of thousands out on temporary contract extensions for Samuel, Smallwood, Graham and Hart?

If I was betting: “because it was the right thing to do”.

Knowing you will be treated well by “the club” may go some way when dealing with player personal terms. Players talk to each other and a quiet word of “don’t worry he’ll look after you” won’t hurt if the wage is a low ball.

While I think that Rovers should have been more on the side of fans (stop the guilt trips about a few refunds “harming the club”) instead of rewarding non-contributing players, which must have hurt the club financially, at least we aren’t giving out paydays to the likes of Murphy and Etuhu.

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45 minutes ago, islander200 said:

Think we would still get more than 5 million for Armstrong personally,be looking closer to ten.

I get your point about covid changing the football landscape but every transfer story I read average players are still getting linked with moves for silly prices,that Grant at Huddersfield being linked with a 15 million move being one of them.

Armstrong is on the back of a cracking season,is young and English which adds to his transfer value.

King will move on from Bournemouth this summer so we should get a bit of money from that deal and hopefully get something for Raya either by them getting promoted or him being sold, should give us a little bit of money to spend

Armstrong has had a good season but still didn't get near the magic 20 for the season so lets not get too carried away but being English will add value. He was the one player I did consider as 5 mill + but I don't think by much.

Silly prices quoted don't necessarily mean cash up front. The majority will be a lot lower initial down payment with add-ons..

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17 minutes ago, dingles staying down 4ever said:

What when all of them appeared in a squad before the end of a season?

Yes, but none played.  I can't understand why we didn't furlough half the non playing squad.

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55 minutes ago, islander200 said:

Yeah I'd like to keep Armstrong aswell but if money is needed this summer then I think he would be the one we would get the most money for

I also have reservations about Armstrong playing the lone front man role as when Dack is back I don't know if they will work too well together if we revert back to playinh 4-2-3-1.Imo to get the best out of Dack he needs be playing behind someone who can hold the ball up and bring others into play Armstrong isn't strong at either of those things.

Moore from Wigan I'd be looking to bring inIV been critical  of him in the past but last couple of seasons he has really improved and looks a bargain at the 2 million being mentioned.

In an ideal world I'd be signing a target man and putting Armstrong back as one of the wide forwards if Dack is to come back as the main man 

For me, Dack has to adapt to playing with Armstrong. We aren't going to playing long balls into a target man now according to Mowbray, we are look to more possession base team. 

Putting Armstrong wide shouldn't be happening. 

On Moore? not sure we should be looking at him. We need 1st choice keeper, centre back and left back. Plus 2nd choice keeper and centre back. 

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1 hour ago, Mercer said:

Perhaps Tony doesn't understand the simple statement that may well be 'you have no money to spend - we need savings of at least £15million through fees in and wage savings'.

Tbh if that's the FUP situation, then as long as the owners are willing and able to back us I say fuck it, go for broke on going up this season and buy proven quality.

We aren't raising and saving that amount of money in this climate without risking relegation again anyway.

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2 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

On Moore? not sure we should be looking at him.

I think they sold Moore didnt they?

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Just now, chaddyrovers said:

For me, Dack has to adapt to playing with Armstrong. We aren't going to playing long balls into a target man now according to Mowbray, we are look to more possession base team. 

Putting Armstrong wide shouldn't be happening. 

On Moore? not sure we should be looking at him. We need 1st choice keeper, centre back and left back. Plus 2nd choice keeper and centre back. 

mowbray should be looking to mix the play up,he`s speaking like he`s managing barcelona with this posession football obsession,not sure armstrong and dack can play together for me it`s one or the other,we don`t need moore either,we`ve already got a target man in gallagher,just stop putting him out wide,give him proper coaching on holding the ball up and getting in defenders faces,he`s big enough to be a right nuisance on set pieces as well,i agree we have other priorities to fill

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3 hours ago, Paul Mani said:

How so? Surely goes like this...Ok guys we are looking for two keepers a cb, a lb and a Cm. The total budget is x and the allocated budget for each position is roughly a, b and c. Here’s a list of players we’ve scouted in each position with choices 1-?.

Then it’s a case of who comes available first with the ultimate goal to cover all the positions. 🤷🏽‍♂️

Yet the past few summers budgets which could and should have gone someway to covering those areas, directing it into a bit of quality for the 'slow' build, have been spewed on fanciful signings like Brereton, Gallagher and to a lesser extent Downing.

Now we are back to probably trying to stretch a couple of million around 5 different positions. 

You are confusing how it should be done with how it is actually done here.

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13 minutes ago, Sparks Rover said:

I think they sold Moore didnt they?

Not yet. 

Agree a fee with QPR. I believe Other Championship teams are after him. 

Wigan need money. End of

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29 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Not yet. 

Agree a fee with QPR. I believe Other Championship teams are after him. 

Wigan need money. End of

I think we do as well!  End of.

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I wanna get my. End of. 

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2 hours ago, JHRover said:

If we need to save money why did Mowbray allow tens of thousands out on temporary contract extensions for Samuel, Smallwood, Graham and Hart?

If we need to save money why did we spend 12 million on two donkey strikers?

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3 hours ago, Paul Mani said:

Anyone get the feeling that we’re speaking Whiteman in case we sell Travis?

I think if we do sign him one or both of Evans and Travis will be going. How else does it make any sense ?

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5 minutes ago, Mercer said:

I think we do as well!  End of.

I could do with a few bob too! End of.

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3 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

You wouldn't want to sell Travis at all, but think most of us knew we would have to sell one of our 4 best players(Armstrong, Dack, Travis, Lenihan) this summer. 

Wonder if we already have an offer in from PL club for Travis? 

Travis is in Spain on holiday according to his Instagram. 

Is Whiteman a similar type of player to Travis? 

I would be looking at Josh Cullen from West Ham who was on loan at Charlton to replace Travis if he goes. 

I'm surprised by that Chaddy. Wouldn't you think the club would be saying to all the staff " No foreign holidays until further notice lads ? " Let's hope he's not coming back in the nexr two weeks. I'm supposed to be out there now but staying local seemed to be the wisest move.

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57 minutes ago, tomphil said:

Yet the past few summers budgets which could and should have gone someway to covering those areas, directing it into a bit of quality for the 'slow' build, have been spewed on fanciful signings like Brereton, Gallagher and to a lesser extent Downing.

Now we are back to probably trying to stretch a couple of million around 5 different positions. 

You are confusing how it should be done with how it is actually done here.

Rightly or wrongly they’ve chosen to spend that money on the strikers but that still has little relevance to the actual point. Players aren’t signed in order of importance, they’re signed as they become available. Ergo speaking to Whiteman isn’t a sign that they want a CM more than a CB just that they had a chance to speak with him and took it. 

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1 minute ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I'm surprised by that Chaddy. Wouldn't you think the club would be saying to all the staff " No foreign holidays until further notice lads ? " Let's hope he's not coming back in the nexr two weeks. I'm supposed to be out there now but staying local seemed to be the wisest move.

Hmm ..down to the individual regarding holidays abroad .Unprecedented times were rules/regulations will change in an instance. I mean even Celtic have jetted off to France for pre season friendlies .. quarantine rules coming back from there could quite easily change overnight...but air bridges have been opened so ..

Personally id have refrained from opening such air bridges for at least a couple of months but who am i .. 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I think if we do sign him one or both of Evans and Travis will be going. How else does it make any sense ?

Not necessarily. As other posters have mentioned, we do have some players for that position but only one who is a mainstay. IF we genuinely have ambitions of going up AND we have the funds then adding Whiteman to that group to form a partnership with Trav and the others fighting to dislodge them is a bold move.

I just don’t see how we plug the gaps AND buy Whiteman without selling someone.

Ideally, Raya gets promotion and King goes for £20m which prob generates £5m for us? So we can keep our Crown Jewels and spend a million or so. 

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18 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I'm surprised by that Chaddy. Wouldn't you think the club would be saying to all the staff " No foreign holidays until further notice lads ? " Let's hope he's not coming back in the nexr two weeks. I'm supposed to be out there now but staying local seemed to be the wisest move.

Armstrong’s out in Ibiza too

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Just now, Paul Mani said:

Not necessarily. As other posters have mentioned, we do have some players for that position but only one who is a mainstay. IF we genuinely have ambitions of going up AND we have the funds then adding Whiteman to that group to form a partnership with Trav and the others fighting to dislodge them is a bold move.

I just don’t see how we plug the gaps AND buy Whiteman without selling someone.

Then I'd much rather just plug the gaps.

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Had a thought about Raya's sell on. It could be true that we have no sell on clause, but still benefit from him moving again.

You get a development fee for all future cash transfers a player has throughout the rest of his career if you had him through a certain age range. You get more based on how many years you had him. We had Raya since he was 17 right? So there's definitely a fee for us every time he moves now.

Still hoping we have had the sense to insist on a sell on though, we were already selling too cheaply. If you have a sell on, you still get the development fee too.

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8 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

Not necessarily. As other posters have mentioned, we do have some players for that position but only one who is a mainstay. IF we genuinely have ambitions of going up AND we have the funds then adding Whiteman to that group to form a partnership with Trav and the others fighting to dislodge them is a bold move.

I just don’t see how we plug the gaps AND buy Whiteman without selling someone.

Ideally, Raya gets promotion and King goes for £20m which prob generates £5m for us? So we can keep our Crown Jewels and spend a million or so. 

This is where a good manager comes in - there's so much fat to trim from this squad:

  • Mulgrew
  • Johnson
  • Evans
  • Bennett
  • Downing
  • Holtby

If we have aspirations of pushing for the PL, we can't lose players like Armstrong, Lenihan, Nyambe, Travis or Dack unless we're blown out of the water by the money on offer.

I'd add Gallagher and Brereton to the list of players to move on, but we'd get peanuts for them at this point. 

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Just now, Exiled_Rover said:

This is where a good manager comes in - there's so much fat to trim from this squad:

  • Mulgrew
  • Johnson
  • Evans
  • Bennett
  • Downing
  • Holtby

If we have aspirations of pushing for the PL, we can't lose players like Armstrong, Lenihan, Nyambe, Travis or Dack unless we're blown out of the water by the money on offer.

I'd add Gallagher and Brereton to the list of players to move on, but we'd get peanuts for them at this point. 

Evans is worth keeping and Downing isn't under contract. Harsh on Holtby too. He hasn't had a proper pre season with us yet. 

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