WATR (The Rovers Trust)

[DeeCee]

Or the new CEO comes in, a professional with gravitas, and bails within 12 months?

[chaddyrovers]

have you email the chairman of the We Are The Rovers to asked why they haven't joined the Coalition and why they are sticking to original plan? 

3 hours ago, Tomphil2 said:

Nothing will change and unless they get someone in with a sound knowledge of dealing with league business and legislation plus all aspects of the inner workings of a club then how long before we fall foul of the authorities ?

Not long i'd say, no surprise if points deductions are on the horizon within 12 months time.

points deductions for what Tompill2? 

[Hasta]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

have you email the chairman of the We Are The Rovers to asked why they haven't joined the Coalition and why they are sticking to original plan? 

 

No and there is no reason they can give to justify why they don’t join. All I can tell them to do is join.

I reignited this thread on the back of the women’s team going.
 

We now know WATR have now spent 5 years talking and talking and talking and talking to a guy who Venkys have just dismissed in 2 sentences.

Edited May 22 by Hasta

[Tomphil2]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

have you email the chairman of the We Are The Rovers to asked why they haven't joined the Coalition and why they are sticking to original plan? 

points deductions for what Tompill2? 

Because some clown will make some monumental cock up at some point then try and cover it up.

It's absolutely amazing we didn't end up in trouble when they clearly had a 3rd party running the club in plain sight.  They'll not get away with it again and they've had Suhail hiding in the shadows running things but obviously he couldn't have a proper title for years due to whatever.

That kind of thing won't go unnoticed nor will the investigations in India, which so far hasn't involved the club, but how long before someone over here wants to investigate BRFC paperwork if some administrative cock up draws attention to the club.

[chaddyrovers]

29 minutes ago, Tomphil2 said:

Because some clown will make some monumental cock up at some point then try and cover it up.

It's absolutely amazing we didn't end up in trouble when they clearly had a 3rd party running the club in plain sight.  They'll not get away with it again and they've had Suhail hiding in the shadows running things but obviously he couldn't have a proper title for years due to whatever.

Suhail is now the COO of Rovers now so that's not an issue

29 minutes ago, Tomphil2 said:

That kind of thing won't go unnoticed nor will the investigations in India, which so far hasn't involved the club, but how long before someone over here wants to investigate BRFC paperwork if some administrative cock up draws attention to the club.

Rovers isn't an India company so how could India investigations investigate Rovers paperwork. The owners aren't on the board of directors either. 

I don't know enough whether they could investigate over here in the UK or not. do you have knowledge of whether they could or not? 

[Tomphil2]

22 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Suhail is now the COO of Rovers now so that's not an issue

Rovers isn't an India company so how could India investigations investigate Rovers paperwork. The owners aren't on the board of directors either. 

I don't know enough whether they could investigate over here in the UK or not. do you have knowledge of whether they could or not? 

Of course it could be an issue if he doesn't know what he's doing, that's the whole point he isn't an experienced football administrator.

I was referring to if something goes wrong at this end due to poor or incorrect administration the football authorities will then become involved.

That's the danger of having novices running the show.

[lraC]

5 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Suhail is now the COO of Rovers now so that's not an issue

Rovers isn't an India company so how could India investigations investigate Rovers paperwork. The owners aren't on the board of directors either. 

I don't know enough whether they could investigate over here in the UK or not. do you have knowledge of whether they could or not? 

If there is any suspicion of money laundering, it could be investigated anywhere. 

There have been suggestions in the past, that the initial funds used to purchase the club, were not necessarily traceable. I don’t know if there is any truth in that, or if it was investigated properly.
Pasted below is quite an interesting article. 
https://www.occrp.org/en/news/uk-indias-king-of-the-good-times-re-arrested-for-money-laundering

[Tomphil2]

Under SwagHail AND Broughton they couldn't get twp incoming signings involving good money over the line.

Benefit of doubt says they made cock ups although a lot would say there was more to it than that. However it still points to how amateur and odd it can still be behind the scenes at Rovers and now there is no real DoF nor experienced administrator in a CEO.

To go from that to the shadow boss and his tea boy is a recipe for disaster imo regardless of feelings towards Waggot.

They got away it seems with the training ground loopholes but what next if they are flailing around looking for short term money ?

It's those kind of cock ups that can become very expensive and lead to points penalties that's why clubs have to pay people like Waggot in the first place.

[RoversClitheroe]

On 22/05/2025 at 20:30, chaddyrovers said:

Suhail is now the COO of Rovers now so that's not an issue

Sorry Chaddy.

You believe Suhail is the COO? So you believe he was reporting into Steve Waggott?

Whilst also being the main link between the owners?

[J*B]

Well done We Are The Rovers who have just announced they have joined the coalition. 

[oldjamfan1]

The actual statement announcing that WaTR will be working with the coalition. 
It is worth pointing out that the Football Supporters Association (FSA) has already reached out to WaTR to offer support and we also have access to the EFL given the club’s official Supporter Engagement Strategy is purported to be on the back of its relationship with the Trust via the Memorandum of Understanding.

 

Edited May 26 by oldjamfan1

[RevidgeBlue]

Extremely late to the party, but better late than never I suppose.

[Mike E]

1 hour ago, oldjamfan1 said:

The actual statement announcing that WaTR will be working with the coalition. 
It is worth pointing out that the Football Supporters Association (FSA) has already reached out to WaTR to offer support and we also have access to the EFL given the club’s official Supporter Engagement Strategy is purported to be on the back of its relationship with the Trust via the Memorandum of Understanding.

Between this (Andy and Pete) and BRAG (Glen et al), that’s a lot of clout with the FSA and EFL.

[Crimpshrine]

1 hour ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Extremely late to the party, but better late than never I suppose.

Fashionably late. The party hasn't even started

[rigger]

2 minutes ago, Crimpshrine said:

Fashionably late. The party hasn't even started

You've got to fight for your right to party.

[mhead]

Its over 2 years ago since I relinquished being Chair of the rebranded WATR...... before which we were trying hard to see if the newly stabilised Rovers(under Waggott and Mowbray) had any hope of being salvageable.

Steve Waggott is the scapegoat for not only the Womens Team but also the dwindling support(Adult Season-Tickets)

It is clear that the MoU needs suspending; the fight is as ever to get the Owners to sell their forgotten Subsidiary in the small Northern town.

It is clear the replacement for Waggott will probably be a new structure with promotions for Pasha, the Apprentice and the Ewood Express bus driver. Then the proverbial will hit the fan - and probably things will have to get worse before they get better.

There have been two instances in just the last 6 months when exciting Investors would and could have taken a lead on the many Commercial opportunities at the "most successful Town Club in the World" - both vetoed by Pasha on referral to India. We now know why the January signings were held up by the unwieldy "final permissions" process.

It is clear , like we suspected in the early days of Kean, that was added to by the era of Shelfy Shaw etc etc, that only a sale will regenerate OUR Club.

I welcome the WATR committee decision and statement.

[G Somerset Rover]

1 hour ago, Mike E said:

Between this (Andy and Pete) and BRAG (Glen et al), that’s a lot of clout with the FSA and EFL.

This is what I am hoping. These idiots have their head in another planet, but still, support and hopefully some pressure from footballing bodies will put us in a much better position.

Feels like the end is still some way off, but it’s edging ever so slightly closer IMO.

[Mashed Potatoes]

45 minutes ago, mhead said:

Its over 2 years ago since I relinquished being Chair of the rebranded WATR...... before which we were trying hard to see if the newly stabilised Rovers(under Waggott and Mowbray) had any hope of being salvageable.

Steve Waggott is the scapegoat for not only the Womens Team but also the dwindling support(Adult Season-Tickets)

It is clear that the MoU needs suspending; the fight is as ever to get the Owners to sell their forgotten Subsidiary in the small Northern town.

It is clear the replacement for Waggott will probably be a new structure with promotions for Pasha, the Apprentice and the Ewood Express bus driver. Then the proverbial will hit the fan - and probably things will have to get worse before they get better.

There have been two instances in just the last 6 months when exciting Investors would and could have taken a lead on the many Commercial opportunities at the "most successful Town Club in the World" - both vetoed by Pasha on referral to India. We now know why the January signings were held up by the unwieldy "final permissions" process.

It is clear , like we suspected in the early days of Kean, that was added to by the era of Shelfy Shaw etc etc, that only a sale will regenerate OUR Club.

I welcome the WATR committee decision and statement.

Could you elaborate on what those two instances were ?

[Leonard Venkhater]

On 23/05/2025 at 09:33, Tomphil2 said:

Under SwagHail AND Broughton they couldn't get twp incoming signings involving good money over the line.

Benefit of doubt says they made cock ups although a lot would say there was more to it than that. However it still points to how amateur and odd it can still be behind the scenes at Rovers and now there is no real DoF nor experienced administrator in a CEO.

To go from that to the shadow boss and his tea boy is a recipe for disaster imo regardless of feelings towards Waggot.

They got away it seems with the training ground loopholes but what next if they are flailing around looking for short term money ?

It's those kind of cock ups that can become very expensive and lead to points penalties that's why clubs have to pay people like Waggot in the first place.

Love it.

The shadow boss, the tea boy and the gooner.

 

[Rogerb]

The gooner is well accustomed to being second best.

[Devon Rover]

6 hours ago, oldjamfan1 said:

The actual statement announcing that WaTR will be working with the coalition. 
It is worth pointing out that the Football Supporters Association (FSA) has already reached out to WaTR to offer support and we also have access to the EFL given the club’s official Supporter Engagement Strategy is purported to be on the back of its relationship with the Trust via the Memorandum of Understanding.

 

I've mocked previous WATR statements but this one is pretty much spot on. 

[Upside Down]

Delighted with this. Absolutely brilliant statement.

Together we are stronger than they'll ever be.

WATR joining the Coalition now adds a large degree of authority and legitimacy to our aims. 

[A Northern Horde...]

Just a reminder to the much vaunted coalition..

"It's not the size of the Dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the Dog"

[Herbie6590]

AGM reminder 

[Forever Blue]

Are these from last night? Thought Miller had resigned?