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2 minutes ago, Kamy100 said:

Walton and Adarabioyo set to sign today.

We will then look at what is left within the budget and see what we can get with the remaining budget with an experienced goalkeeper being the key and then a centre back if the budget stretches that far.

I'd sooner have an experienced centre half and then experienced keeper if the budget stretches. Surely Walton not coming on season loan to sit on bench.

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Just now, Kamy100 said:

There is an agreed amount that TM and Waggott were happy to work with, they have then further supplemented that with the sale of Raya.  

I much prefer this approach where we are spending what we can realistically afford rather than the uncontrolled spending of the past.

Don't disagree Kamy but whilst we all know transfers don't necessarily happen in the preferred order for many reasons , overloading midfield and striking dept (where apparently nobody will play down the middle!!) looks flawed. If we had a tough big back four who could kick and scratch ie just out and out defenders then those in front of them will often create something somewhere . The problem we have had for a long time and at this minute still looks the case , is that we concede soft goals and can often implode and ship a few goals in a few minutes in games.

This is what most on here have identified for ever and why £7m on Brereton looks so odd in that context. £7m spent on proper defenders and GK would in my opinion have given us a pretty decent foundation to start looking upwards in the Championship .You could probably have got 4 proper ones for that money . As it stands, its gone on  a player whose attributes aren't clear , nor is his favoured position and very likely he wont be a regular starter.

That in the eyes of many is  a very muddled, ill thought out transfer policy when the funds have to be carefully watched.  Basically it all looks a bit of a mess less than 2 weeks to the big kick off. 

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The word experience gets used a lot on here of late. I dont care if the CB or GK is experinced, I just want them to be good and better than what we have now.

Its that simple really. Improve the team.

Apart from Graham, all our experinced players where pretty poor last year and we spent a season crying out for youth.

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Just now, tomphil said:

It's almost like he's tried his level best not to bring in an good experienced CB lol

Charlie bhoy must really hold some sway.

I think it was pretty much universally accepted that the number 1 priority was a new first choice centre back to come in, alongside Lenihan and push Mulgrew & Williams down the pecking order (or out altogether).

I appreciate that you need to get players in when they become available but we aren't going to move forward unless the defensive frailties are resolved. 

 

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4 hours ago, Paul Mani said:

Plenty of room. Smallwood getting fazed out, Evans has half a season, max, Rothwell will play further forward and Downing will be used in different positions. I think Davenport will have been earmarked to play a lot of football this year and I hope (in his absence) that they play Buckley rather than sign Adam or Whelan.

My ideal in a 433 would be to play Johnson as the anchor and play Travis (to the right of the three) and one of Rothwell or Buckley to the left. 

 

49 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

They’ve got plenty of money and the plan is to sell Dack next summer anyway to stave off any potential threat. It’s believed by this time that B.B. Gally and Arma along with Butterworth and Rothwell will have developed sufficiently to step into those shoes and keep us moving forwards...

Here’s a funny one. People pay most money for young forwards who score goals. If those five kicked on over the next 3yrs you’ve probably got between £50-75m of assets after Dack. Sell one every summer and you remain competitive, keep ffp at bay and continue to build...maybe that’s why we spend our money on the academy and forwards ?

Few things:

- What makes you suggest that Evans "has half a season, max?" Mowbray played his strongest 11 yesterday, Evans played. Unlike Smallwood who didnt play as much in the second half of last season, Evans wasnt at all phased out, has a new contract and seemingly id a big part of Mowbrays plans.

- Where does Dack fit in your 433? We cant play a formation that doesnt suit our best player.

- Thats a massive, massive assumption. 50-75m is quite frankly ridicilious for 5 players who all are young and have scope for development, but none have really any evidence that they can or will ever justify the massive figures youve just plonked on their collective heads.

- If you also are so focused on stockpiling young attackers, you remove yourself from actually the primary objective of short term success, if we dont equally focus on the rest of the team at the same time. For example, we continue to neglect the full back area.

You have to understand why defending Venkys is always going to be a touchy subject considering what theyve done. Theres nothing to be grateful for.

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Oh how I wish the nomenclature for 'free transfers' was changed to something like a 'wages-only transfer' (and even then, there will still potentially be signing-on fees, agent fees, etc etc...)

Just now, arbitro said:

It's a policy that is built on sand in my view. Therefore it's a roll of the dice. Selling your best players, as we have seen in the past is not a good policy.

Derby and Forest (albeit with smaller gates) have circumvented FFP with some imagination. 

? Do you think we should sell Ewood Park to Venky's, as Derby and Villa have done? This seems to be hinted at by some posters, but I'd be curious if anyone is 'brave' enough to explicitly advocate for that!

Forest have had some pretty significant sales in recent years... they booked £25m in player trading profits in 2017 and 2018, and they've trimmed their wages recently too. You may be referring to their owner's loan write-offs, but those will likely be excluded from FPP (as was the case for QPR, hence their breach of FFP). Even then, their most recent accounts show Forest still has a decent amount of headroom under FFP after excluding the loan write-offs.

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Just now, Tugay-is-God said:

Letting Raya go only to replace him with Walton on loan still just makes absolutely no sense to me. 

It looks like (to me at least) we've sold Raya to bring in some money and that money will be spent/has been spent on a striker (Gally) and a CB (yet to be determined). We obviously still need a keeper and i suspect it will be a loan to buy, so it basically comes out of next seasons budget.

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Just now, Gavlar Somerset Rover! said:

Is this Adarabioyo decent in the air? You would hope so at 6’5 but I’ve seen plenty of giants who are terrible aerially despite being huge! We need someone at the back who just loves heading.

You are right, but we also need someone at the back who won’t be pulled out of position to cover for some very poor full backs but that is not in the centre backs control.

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Just now, RoverCanada said:

? Do you think we should sell Ewood Park to Venky's, as Derby and Villa have done? This seems to be hinted at by some posters, but I'd be curious if anyone is 'brave' enough to explicitly advocate for that!

Forest have had some pretty significant sales in recent years... they booked £25m in player trading profits in 2017 and 2018, and they've trimmed their wages recently too. You may be referring to their owner's loan write-offs, but those will likely be excluded from FPP (as was the case for QPR, hence their breach of FFP). Even then, their most recent accounts show Forest still has a decent amount of headroom under FFP after excluding the loan write-offs.

There’s no point arguing. They’re desperate for everyone else to admit if it doesn’t go our way but there’s no chance they’ll do the same if we’re sat in the top 6 come May. 

Imagine the reaction if we sold the stadium and renamed it the ‘Venkybowl Arena’ ???

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Just now, Tugay-is-God said:

Letting Raya go only to replace him with Walton on loan still just makes absolutely no sense to me. 

You wouldn't have heard me say it at the time because I really rated David - but in League One I did think Walton was the better, more well-rounded keeper.

Didn't think they were the same age certainly. Loan to buy and that would look okay

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Just now, roversfan99 said:

 

Few things:

- What makes you suggest that Evans "has half a season, max?" Mowbray played his strongest 11 yesterday, Evans played. Unlike Smallwood who didnt play as much in the second half of last season, Evans wasnt at all phased out, has a new contract and seemingly id a big part of Mowbrays plans.

- Where does Dack fit in your 433? We cant play a formation that doesnt suit our best player.

- Thats a massive, massive assumption. 50-75m is quite frankly ridicilious for 5 players who all are young and have scope for development, but none have really any evidence that they can or will ever justify the massive figures youve just plonked on their collective heads.

- If you also are so focused on stockpiling young attackers, you remove yourself from actually the primary objective of short term success, if we dont equally focus on the rest of the team at the same time. For example, we continue to neglect the full back area.

You have to understand why defending Venkys is always going to be a touchy subject considering what theyve done. Theres nothing to be grateful for.

Just my opinion.

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Just now, RoverCanada said:

? Do you think we should sell Ewood Park to Venky's, as Derby and Villa have done? This seems to be hinted at by some posters, but I'd be curious if anyone is 'brave' enough to explicitly advocate for that!

Forest have had some pretty significant sales in recent years... they booked £25m in player trading profits in 2017 and 2018, and they've trimmed their wages recently too. You may be referring to their owner's loan write-offs, but those will likely be excluded from FPP (as was the case for QPR, hence their breach of FFP). Even then, their most recent accounts show Forest still has a decent amount of headroom under FFP after excluding the loan write-offs.

I thought the Forest and Derby deals were sponsorship. My understanding was that the Indians already owned Ewood hence the CVA attained by the Rovers Trust. 

Forest have bought and sold but pay excessively high wages.

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So we've spunked all the money on a position we didn't overly need in Gallagher. 

Guess we are going ossie ardilles! At least he was a rover lol. 

Seriously TM sort out the defence, you can crow all you want about top 6 etc, pinch o salt with your words from now on. 

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Just now, Paul Mani said:

There’s no point arguing. They’re desperate for everyone else to admit if it doesn’t go our way but there’s no chance they’ll do the same if we’re sat in the top 6 come May. 

Imagine the reaction if we sold the stadium and renamed it the ‘Venkybowl Arena’ ???

Problem is Paul, you make everyone else out like they are idiots (WOW! ??? Etc) whilst you are the ‘football man’, realistic etc.

But it’s you that thinks we will avoid FFP by selling one player in 12 months time, even though we have no idea on his worth at that time, just an assumption it will be enough - oh and 1 year left on his contract by then (so a reduced fee), unless he signs another? Another assumption.

But even if we do sell him, that’s fine as we have up to 75 million of talent coming though. 

Its cloud cuckoo land stuff coming from you.

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Just now, Paul Mani said:

There’s no point arguing. They’re desperate for everyone else to admit if it doesn’t go our way but there’s no chance they’ll do the same if we’re sat in the top 6 come May. 

Imagine the reaction if we sold the stadium and renamed it the ‘Venkybowl Arena’ ???

Poor post that mate. Nobody is 'arguing' merely having a different view on something that might or might not happen. If you can't accept that you need to stop reading and posting 

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Just now, Tugay-is-God said:

Letting Raya go only to replace him with Walton on loan still just makes absolutely no sense to me. 

Walton is a better keeper with a better record.  Raya frustrated the hell out of me. His basic kicking, flapping about and rash decision making put us under so much pressure. I wish him well but I'm glad he's not our problem anymore and my heart will benefit from it.

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Just now, arbitro said:

I thought the Forest and Derby deals were sponsorship. My understanding was that the Indians already owned Ewood hence the CVA attained by the Rovers Trust. 

Forest have bought and sold but pay excessively high wages.

I believe "Blackburn Rovers" owns the ground. Derby and Sheff Wed (that I know of) sold their stadia to separate, unnamed "associate" companies of their owners.

Less of an issue for Derby - they trust him as a real fan of the club. 

For us - it would be suicidal to flog our biggest asset into god knows whose grubby hands.

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Just now, arbitro said:

Poor post that mate. Nobody is 'arguing' merely having a different view on something that might or might not happen. If you can't accept that you need to stop reading and posting 

There’s no getting away from the fact that we’ll never get close to seeing this the same way mate. I respect your opinions and views.

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Just now, Dr X said:

 

Seriously TM sort out the defence, you can crow all you want about top 6 etc, pinch o salt with your words from now on. 

As anyone in footballs should be taken, judge their impact on’t pitch! 

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Just now, FGS5635 said:

The word experience gets used a lot on here of late. I dont care if the CB or GK is experinced, I just want them to be good and better than what we have now.

Its that simple really. Improve the team.

Apart from Graham, all our experinced players where pretty poor last year and we spent a season crying out for youth.

Good point is that, always nice for a calming experienced C/B but sometimes lack of pace means a younger guy can be a better buy/loan, I’m happy to let Mowbray and his coaching staff get the personnel in who can improve the squad.

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Just now, Mattyblue said:

Problem is Paul, you make everyone else out like they are idiots (WOW! ??? Etc) whilst you are the ‘football man’, realistic etc.

But it’s you that thinks we will avoid FFP by selling one player in 12 months time, even though we have no idea on his worth at that time - oh and 1 year left on his contract by then, unless he signs another? Another assumption.

But even if we do sell him, that’s fine as we have up to 75 million of talent coming though. 

Its cloud cuckoo land stuff coming from you.

I just said that was the plan. Not my plan but THE plan. You’re Just making this stuff up as you go along now...

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Just now, Paul Mani said:

I just said that was the plan. Not my plan but THE plan. You’re Just making this stuff up as you go along now...

So it’s the club that thinks we have up to £75 million worth of talent once Dack goes?

I was hoping it was just your fevered imagination.

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36 minutes ago, Kamy100 said:

Walton and Adarabioyo set to sign today.

We will then look at what is left within the budget and see what we can get with the remaining budget with an experienced goalkeeper being the key and then a centre back if the budget stretches that far.

So basically only 1 money transfer so far. As expected more bullshit from the bullshit man

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Just now, Mattyblue said:

So it’s the club that thinks we have £75 million worth of talent once Dack goes?

I was hoping it was just your fevered imagination.

No mate, the CLUB have a plan to buy and develop young players to sell (strategically and if necessary) in order to balance the books whilst progressing towards promotion. - Evidenced over the last 12 months when they’ve spoken about it, Maddison from Norwich and selling ‘a Dack’ etc.

I simply used the 5 players mentioned and priced them at £10m -15m based on their age and potential and stated the £50-75m potential return.

But you keep slinging those insults pal. 

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