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10 minutes ago, JHRover said:

We had a minimal budget in the summer. It was pretty much loans and frees - Tosin, Downing, Johnson, Walton, Cunningham  - other than the exceptional funding allowance made for Project B Gallagher because someone fancied another punt on a buy on the basis it would reap big dividends after the Brereton one the previous summer.

Now granted - some of those signings have been good uns - Tosin, Downing, Cunningham until he got injured - and wages will not have been insignificant - but lets not make out like we've spent big or built on these guys. Come the summer most of them won't be here and those that are will be in the twilight of their careers. It's about as far away from the Brentford model as you can get - despite Mowbray referring to them as a template.

It is also worth bearing in mind that Cunningham was only done at the 11th hour presumably when the financial requirements were more favourable or when we finally found space in the budget by offloading Mulgrew for 6 months.

Money is virtually non-existent for transfer fees - as it was in the summer. The Gallagher and Brereton ones are special cases where someone chucked the cash in on the basis they were projects likely to pay off with interest in years to come. I don't believe that money could or would ever have materialised for other positions, or for several smaller purchases.

Mowbray and Waggott get their budget in May for the year and there it is. The only way we will see incomings in January is by shuffling around on the wage bill by offloading a couple for a few months or if we get lucky and manage to sell someone.

This talk about European targets, Polish wingers for £3 million, Venkys ready to invest but constrained by evil FFP rules is just fantasy land stuff. 

 

 

Not sure I entirely agree with that  we've had no money in the last two January windows because TM has completely wasted the majority of the budgets in the two previous summer windows and the areas that originally needed strengthening still need it.

I don't actually think the budgets he's had to work with have been bad. Other than the two obvious flops he's wasted transfer fees, wages and loan fees at various points on the likes of Whittingham, Palmer, Davenport, and Chapman who have barely ever played if at all.

We're not Manchester City and spending 7m or  5m on a player isn't an insignificant amount to be sniffed at. Then there's the use of the funds on the cheaper  players as well and if all of the budget had been used a lot more judiciously, things might look very different.

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3 hours ago, Tugayisgod said:

The recruitment of a European scout is an appointment which will hopefully pay dividends for years to come, not one transfer window. 

Its overdue! Way overdue. Obvious the the Club has been run on a shoe-string ever since Venkys arrived.How many players who didn't cost £7M have we missed?

2 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

So you'd rather have a striker that scores 5 goals a season than a 20 goal a year man? Come off it Chaddy. You're only saying that because we haven't got a reasonably prolific scorer other than Dack and you're sticking up for the bloke Mowbray actually signed. If Mowbray unearthed such a player on the cheap you'd be the first to pipe up about what a masterstroke it was and how it was just the thing we'd been missing.

For what it's worth I agree with Rovers fan 99 on Gallagher. I was dead against his return in the first place and what I've seen since hasn't altered my opinion. I cant see anything in him at all  let alone at £5m.

I keep saying that there is a player in there somewhere. But playing him wide has destroyed any chance of seeing progression this season He needs to recover!

Can TM ever bring out the best in him? I really doubt it.

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10 minutes ago, islander200 said:

Downing and Johnson will not have come cheap,million pound loan fee for tosin if reports are true,I'd imagine we are paying some of his 25 grand a week wage that he is on at City.Holtby would have got a significant signing on fee for him to join us and we paid out 5 million for Gallagher.

We did spend in the summer.Johnson was on good money at Derby with another year left he didn't sign for peanuts and neither did Downing.

 

Agree.

Johnson has been another massively disappointing signing for me.

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It’s like a repeating Groundhog Day! No one knows on here whether we have money to spend or not, no one knows of bids other than the supposed media links and no one knows of any plans inside the club right this minute.

Wait and see if anything happens, if not we pee with the todger we have😀😀

 

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2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Not every striker has to be natural goalscorer.

But somebody has to be! 

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11 hours ago, unleaded said:

Josh Laurent was immense ... well worth it as he’s free in summer ... 

Probably end up being snapped up by Brentford!!  

Nice to see you back on here, one of the only posters I’ve seen in my time on this messageboard who’s transfer info is half decent. Save yourself for the summer mate because this month is a write off 👍🏻

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1 hour ago, Proudtobeblue&white said:

Our budget went with BD's injury. Simple. There is no budget.

We still have the Raya money though haven’t we???!!!🙈🙈

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30 minutes ago, islander200 said:

Downing and Johnson will not have come cheap,million pound loan fee for tosin if reports are true,I'd imagine we are paying some of his 25 grand a week wage that he is on at City.Holtby would have got a significant signing on fee for him to join us and we paid out 5 million for Gallagher.

We did spend in the summer.Johnson was on good money at Derby with another year left he didn't sign for peanuts and neither did Downing.

 

I think there's a difference between spending and paying wages/signing on fees. I accept that the likes of Johnson and Downing won't be cheap, but they cost little/nothing to bring in.

It has always been an issue under Venkys for us to cough up lump sum transfer fees. Never had an issue with sanctioning decent wages on loans and frees.

If we've paid City £1 million to borrow Tosin for 12 months then i think that is ridiculous and out of order. We will have eaten up a large chunk of our budget to borrow someone else's player and let him develop for a year. If we have or had £1 million for a CB it should have gone on a cash buy on a 3-4 year deal to build upon moving forward.

Derby were glad to let Johnson go. I doubt they'd have asked for much (if anything) for us to take him off their hands. Wages probably considerable but at the same time we've given him 2 years to Derby's 1 so probably undercut them that way.

 

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39 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Not sure I entirely agree with that  we've had no money in the last two January windows because TM has completely wasted the majority of the budgets in the two previous summer windows and the areas that originally needed strengthening still need it.

I don't actually think the budgets he's had to work with have been bad. Other than the two obvious flops he's wasted transfer fees, wages and loan fees at various points on the likes of Whittingham, Palmer, Davenport, and Chapman who have barely ever played if at all.

We're not Manchester City and spending 7m or  5m on a player isn't an insignificant amount to be sniffed at. Then there's the use of the funds on the cheaper  players as well and if all of the budget had been used a lot more judiciously, things might look very different.

I don't think that £12 million would have ever materialised for other buys or other positions.

Someone in India has it in their head that these young British CFs are worthy of a large lump sum investment. I don't believe that this money was available for other areas or targets and if Mowbray hadn't signed those players I very much doubt the money would have been seen again.

It is beyond belief that we've shelled out that level of cash on those two players and meanwhile the rest of our team consists predominantly of frees, loans and low cost signings, particularly the defence and GK positions which have been neglected for years.

Then there's the signings like Davenport and Hart - even more odd.

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4 minutes ago, JHRover said:

I don't think that £12 million would have ever materialised for other buys or other positions.

Someone in India has it in their head that these young British CFs are worthy of a large lump sum investment. I don't believe that this money was available for other areas or targets and if Mowbray hadn't signed those players I very much doubt the money would have been seen again.

It is beyond belief that we've shelled out that level of cash on those two players and meanwhile the rest of our team consists predominantly of frees, loans and low cost signings, particularly the defence and GK positions which have been neglected for years.

Then there's the signings like Davenport and Hart - even more odd.

Then why where we having bids of 4 million for Luke Freeman last summer,and didn't we agree a fee for Celina only for him to get a better offer from Swansea?

Mowbray has had a hard on for Gallagher since his loan spell,he spent all last summer chasing him and when he didn't get him panicked into buying Brererton for 7 million.

He has had a very very decent budget since we got promoted and he hasn't had to sell any player.He wasn't bothered about Raya leaving.

They backed him and he could have spent the money a lot more wisely.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Paul Mani said:

Prob best all round if a few others take this advice. Seems as though the answer to every question on every thread at the moment is how bad Mowbray is, what a waste of money Gally and Brereton are and how we don’t have a pot to piss in...so repetitive in fact that I’d be expecting bans for “inflammatory behaviour” if I hadn’t seen who continually ‘like’ them...👍🏼

My rule of thumb is to ignore any posts that include the words “Chaddy”, “Tombola” and “£12 million” which miraculously results in a daily reading burden of 8-10 generally interesting posts.

Back to transfers, Mowbray’s approach of giving out overly-generous contracts and allowing said lucky players to decide for themselves if they stay or go is an abdication of the term “management”.

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1 hour ago, Scotland1 said:

Scott Hogan 

Birmingham only contributing 20 to the 46 k wages stoke are paying apparently. Interesting

Still would make him our highest earner when he’s done nothing for years. I’d rather let Brereton play. 

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16 hours ago, unleaded said:

Josh Laurent was immense ... well worth it as he’s free in summer ... 

Probably end up being snapped up by Brentford!!  

Was at Brentford already until 2016. 

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6 hours ago, Vilesinner said:

Anyone think this GK could be good for us? Watched Sunderland Vs Doncaster Rovers and thought he looked very good:

 

Hmmm. A shot stopper, but what is he like on coming for crosses, and what is his distribution like? Does he talk to his defence? Does he read the game, or simply react?

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No deals appear imminent, with top targets Kamil Jozwiak and Ronan Curtis appearing out of reach, but Mowbray has faith his side, who return to action against Queens Park Rangers tonight, can still push for the top six without any reinforcements.

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How many clubs have actually had a net spend on transfers this season? There appear to only be a handful of clubs and we’re one of them. 

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27 minutes ago, Miker said:

How many clubs have actually had a net spend on transfers this season? There appear to only be a handful of clubs and we’re one of them. 

Yet we need as many players now as we did at the start of the season! Worst summer recruitment since Coyle.:(

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10 hours ago, JHRover said:

We had a minimal budget in the summer. It was pretty much loans and frees - Tosin, Downing, Johnson, Walton, Cunningham  - other than the exceptional funding allowance made for Project B Gallagher because someone fancied another punt on a buy on the basis it would reap big dividends after the Brereton one the previous summer.

Now granted - some of those signings have been good uns - Tosin, Downing, Cunningham until he got injured - and wages will not have been insignificant - but lets not make out like we've spent big or built on these guys. Come the summer most of them won't be here and those that are will be in the twilight of their careers. It's about as far away from the Brentford model as you can get - despite Mowbray referring to them as a template.

It is also worth bearing in mind that Cunningham was only done at the 11th hour presumably when the financial requirements were more favourable or when we finally found space in the budget by offloading Mulgrew for 6 months.

Money is virtually non-existent for transfer fees - as it was in the summer. The Gallagher and Brereton ones are special cases where someone chucked the cash in on the basis they were projects likely to pay off with interest in years to come. I don't believe that money could or would ever have materialised for other positions, or for several smaller purchases.

Mowbray and Waggott get their budget in May for the year and there it is. The only way we will see incomings in January is by shuffling around on the wage bill by offloading a couple for a few months or if we get lucky and manage to sell someone.

This talk about European targets, Polish wingers for £3 million, Venkys ready to invest but constrained by evil FFP rules is just fantasy land stuff. 

 

 

Didn’t we also bid for Reed? (Albeit an unrealistic low bid) and another keeper in addition to Walton?

 I think a bit more money was there, no loads but some.

 

 

 

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16 minutes ago, 47er said:

Yet we need as many players now as we did at the start of the season! Worst summer recruitment since Coyle.:(

We need more since selling Raya. This summer is going to be a nightmare, with the need for 2 GK, RB, LBx2, CBx2

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15 minutes ago, 47er said:

Yet we need as many players now as we did at the start of the season! Worst summer recruitment since Coyle.:(

and it will only get worse this summer when we have to replace loan players, ageing players, players out of contract and players who simply aren't good enough.  If Mowbray is still here, and God forbid, I think it will just give him another ready made excuse for 'stability' - 'you can't have so many new players in the building and expect them to gel'.

I think it underlines our player recruitment strategy has been simply shambolic under Mowbray.

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56 minutes ago, Mercer said:

and it will only get worse this summer when we have to replace loan players, ageing players, players out of contract and players who simply aren't good enough.  If Mowbray is still here, and God forbid, I think it will just give him another ready made excuse for 'stability' - 'you can't have so many new players in the building and expect them to gel'.

I think it underlines our player recruitment strategy has been simply shambolic under Mowbray.

We have a good crop of youth players knocking on the door, so I don't see any big crisis coming. With that said I do think our promotion aspirations will dwindle for each season that passes by, and we're actually in a very good position to be pushing for a play-off place this season. Mowbray should recognise the same, and needs to make a couple of big calls this window.

 

Really looking forward to tonight's game.

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