[Archived] Coyle Out

[gumboots]

Just saw Rowett on Sky saying  why the Forest job wouldn't appeal at this moment. Structure isn't right. So no chance he'd want to look at Rovers. If he thinks their structure isn't right what on earth would he think of ours?

[Roverthechimp]

4 hours ago, JHRover said:

Some very interesting material on there.

'The Football Club Contract' Sounds like the lawyers and football club are still 'liaising' regarding the validity of the termination and it might end up with a claim being issued in a foreign jurisdiction.

Of course just a huge coincidence that someone with the same name as Coyle's agent just so happens to own shares in the same organisation as some of the ringleaders of the Rovers project over the last few years.

Maybe i misunderstood but wasn't it qualified as being a German Champions League Club?? Or was it that we would partake in 4 tournaments involving "a german champions League club"?

[davulsukur]

1 hour ago, gumboots said:

Just saw Rowett on Sky saying  why the Forest job wouldn't appeal at this moment. Structure isn't right. So no chance he'd want to look at Rovers. If he thinks their structure isn't right what on earth would he think of ours?

We have a structure?

[Amo]

It's apparent that we have two sets of owners: Venky's and a certain sports agency.

First season, both owners were on the same page. Venky's were still living the dream, and I wouldn't be surprised if they were unaware of relegation.

After that, Venky's deployed Shebby, perhaps not with the intention to undermine Kean but to put their own man on the ground. This didn't work for the shadow owners, so Kean resigned and the two parties settled out of court. Then Shebby battled for supremacy with the Preston Pillocks, with Shaw coming out on top.

There seemed to be a lull during the Bowyer years when everyone was on the same page again.   

Now it seems we have Coyle representing SEM (never heard of 'em!) and Senior representing Venky's, with Sasha as a go-between? 

It really would explain the slipshod, haphazard and downright suspicious manner in which the club has been run for the past six years. On one hand, we have the arrogant, clueless Indians whose interest has waned but they're in too deep to get out, and then we have the crooked sports agency trying to pick the bones clean of this scaled down operation.

[1arC]

Just now, Amarillo said:

It's apparent that we have two sets of owners: Venky's and a certain sports agency.

First season, both owners were on the same page. Venky's were still living the dream, and I wouldn't be surprised if they were unaware of relegation.

After that, Venky's deployed Shebby, perhaps not with the intention to undermine Kean but to put their own man on the ground. This didn't work for the shadow owners, so Kean resigned and the two parties settled out of court. Then Shebby battled for supremacy with the Preston Pillocks, with Shaw coming out on top.

There seemed to be a lull during the Bowyer years when everyone was on the same page again.   

Now it seems we have Coyle representing SEM (never heard of 'em!) and Senior representing Venky's, with Sasha as a go-between? 

It really would explain the slipshod, haphazard and downright suspicious manner in which the club has been run for the past six years. On one hand, we have the arrogant, clueless Indians whose interest has waned but they're in too deep to get out, and then we have the crooked sports agency trying to pick the bones clean of this scaled down operation.

That's about right, although Kentaro have gone into receivership and the receiver sold the "football contract" to a company called Lenani for £100,000. The receiver did end up getting £90,000, as it was arranged for them to pay the £100,000 in 4 instalments of £25,000. The first 3 were paid on time and the fourth went a bit astray.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

3 hours ago, gumboots said:

Just saw Rowett on Sky saying  why the Forest job wouldn't appeal at this moment. Structure isn't right. So no chance he'd want to look at Rovers. If he thinks their structure isn't right what on earth would he think of ours?

He was never coming anyway. Only the desperate would take the job on now and Rowett doesn't appear to be desperate to me.

[Grez]

1 hour ago, Amarillo said:

It's apparent that we have two sets of owners: Venky's and a certain sports agency.

First season, both owners were on the same page. Venky's were still living the dream, and I wouldn't be surprised if they were unaware of relegation.

After that, Venky's deployed Shebby, perhaps not with the intention to undermine Kean but to put their own man on the ground. This didn't work for the shadow owners, so Kean resigned and the two parties settled out of court. Then Shebby battled for supremacy with the Preston Pillocks, with Shaw coming out on top.

There seemed to be a lull during the Bowyer years when everyone was on the same page again.   

Now it seems we have Coyle representing SEM (never heard of 'em!) and Senior representing Venky's, with Sasha as a go-between? 

It really would explain the slipshod, haphazard and downright suspicious manner in which the club has been run for the past six years. On one hand, we have the arrogant, clueless Indians whose interest has waned but they're in too deep to get out, and then we have the crooked sports agency trying to pick the bones clean of this scaled down operation.

Or it could be we signed an outsourcing agreement that hasn't gone very well.

[punerover]

1 hour ago, Amarillo said:

It's apparent that we have two sets of owners: Venky's and a certain sports agency.

First season, both owners were on the same page. Venky's were still living the dream, and I wouldn't be surprised if they were unaware of relegation.

After that, Venky's deployed Shebby, perhaps not with the intention to undermine Kean but to put their own man on the ground. This didn't work for the shadow owners, so Kean resigned and the two parties settled out of court. Then Shebby battled for supremacy with the Preston Pillocks, with Shaw coming out on top.

There seemed to be a lull during the Bowyer years when everyone was on the same page again.   

Now it seems we have Coyle representing SEM (never heard of 'em!) and Senior representing Venky's, with Sasha as a go-between? 

It really would explain the slipshod, haphazard and downright suspicious manner in which the club has been run for the past six years. On one hand, we have the arrogant, clueless Indians whose interest has waned but they're in too deep to get out, and then we have the crooked sports agency trying to pick the bones clean of this scaled down operation.

You are getting frighteningly close. It might cause discomfort to some people linked to BRFC.

[arbitro]

1 hour ago, Amarillo said:

It's apparent that we have two sets of owners: Venky's and a certain sports agency.

First season, both owners were on the same page. Venky's were still living the dream, and I wouldn't be surprised if they were unaware of relegation.

After that, Venky's deployed Shebby, perhaps not with the intention to undermine Kean but to put their own man on the ground. This didn't work for the shadow owners, so Kean resigned and the two parties settled out of court. Then Shebby battled for supremacy with the Preston Pillocks, with Shaw coming out on top.

There seemed to be a lull during the Bowyer years when everyone was on the same page again.   

Now it seems we have Coyle representing SEM (never heard of 'em!) and Senior representing Venky's, with Sasha as a go-between? 

It really would explain the slipshod, haphazard and downright suspicious manner in which the club has been run for the past six years. On one hand, we have the arrogant, clueless Indians whose interest has waned but they're in too deep to get out, and then we have the crooked sports agency trying to pick the bones clean of this scaled down operation.

That sounds plausible to me. All we need is hard evidence.

[G Somerset Rover]

Well summed up, Ammo. Crystal clear yet seemingly the authorities won't do squat about it. Infuriating.

[tomphil]

5 hours ago, Amarillo said:

It's apparent that we have two sets of owners: Venky's and a certain sports agency.

First season, both owners were on the same page. Venky's were still living the dream, and I wouldn't be surprised if they were unaware of relegation.

After that, Venky's deployed Shebby, perhaps not with the intention to undermine Kean but to put their own man on the ground. This didn't work for the shadow owners, so Kean resigned and the two parties settled out of court. Then Shebby battled for supremacy with the Preston Pillocks, with Shaw coming out on top.

There seemed to be a lull during the Bowyer years when everyone was on the same page again.   

Now it seems we have Coyle representing SEM (never heard of 'em!) and Senior representing Venky's, with Sasha as a go-between? 

It really would explain the slipshod, haphazard and downright suspicious manner in which the club has been run for the past six years. On one hand, we have the arrogant, clueless Indians whose interest has waned but they're in too deep to get out, and then we have the crooked sports agency trying to pick the bones clean of this scaled down operation.

Pretty much sums up the top and bottom of it in simple terms. Been pretty obvious from very early on and as times gone on more and more stuff points to it. I will add though i think impasse under Bowyer was part planned in some quarters knowing the embargo was inevitable. Someone invested or gave the go ahead for the club to invest a couple of million then in comes Gaz who's only remit seemed to be tread water and give as many as possible as many games as possible to increase experience and value whilst the agents beavered away earning their % moving out/paying off others.

Then the players have matured a bit and suddenly a few are worth money and what we've seen since is a cashing in of these. Maybe someone did have a short term plan after all. That's just how a football investment fund would go about it's stuff especially when they have their own vehicle and dumb wealthy sponsors who see parachute money propping it up as well.

[JBiz]

I don't think it needs to be complicated, GB wasn't good enough to get us promoted with the team we had - despite some opinions, I still felt he did a good job but accept many others could've done better. In hindsight it's easier to see that many would've benefitted from following Kean, Berg and then Appleton - anything better than deplorable was an improvement!

Ive said it before, the vacuum between the decisions that need making, and those with the final say has constantly allowed hangers to rip the bones from our club. Whether they are complicit or not matters little when the results are the same.

[tomphil]

I don't think Bowyer was complicit to it in any way, quite the opposite in fact. They just got lucky he proved competent enough to at least do a job but never once did he seem under pressure to go for promotion. Reading his CV he's more or less said it was all about player development whilst delivering enough results to be competitive, he did that. 

I was an easy time for Venkys then because they could just sit back and let things plod under no pressure to spend and their advisers were busy getting rid of some highly paid dead wood. Win win and maybe that's why they attended a few games around then. Not long after embargo is lifted they go completely under ground and Bowyer gets ousted before he starts requesting players lined up by his own structure put in place and with money he's helped generate and the agents he dealt with. 

Then the old influences gradually start re emerging again. Maybe the usual bonkers stuff but as always things seem to go deeper.

[dingles staying down 4ever]

7 hours ago, tomphil said:

Pretty much sums up the top and bottom of it in simple terms. Been pretty obvious from very early on and as times gone on more and more stuff points to it. I will add though i think impasse under Bowyer was part planned in some quarters knowing the embargo was inevitable. Someone invested or gave the go ahead for the club to invest a couple of million then in comes Gaz who's only remit seemed to be tread water and give as many as possible as many games as possible to increase experience and value whilst the agents beavered away earning their % moving out/paying off others.

Then the players have matured a bit and suddenly a few are worth money and what we've seen since is a cashing in of these. Maybe someone did have a short term plan after all. That's just how a football investment fund would go about it's stuff especially when they have their own vehicle and dumb wealthy sponsors who see parachute money propping it up as well.

Where does the Lambert episode fit this theory?

[Reedy You're A Star]

Brought in for one last stab at promotion to refill the coffers before the parachute payments ran out? 

[arbitro]

48 minutes ago, dingles staying down 4ever said:

Where does the Lambert episode fit this theory?

I think Lambert was sold to them by Myers as a decent chance of promotion subject to some investment. Something (or somebody) put the spoke in and the sighting of slimeball Anderson and rumours of the 'new Kentaro' still involved it makes sense that they were still advising the lunatics.

All supposition but quite a lot is beginning to make sense if you join the dots.

[Blueandwhitemike]

Wasn't there a big slump in Venky's share price between Lambert getting appointed and the Jan transfer window?

 

[EgyptianPete]

Looks like old coyley is treading on thin ice,  now complaining he wasnt backed in the jan transfer window on four targets.Someone isnt going to be happy ahem  senior

[JHRover]

Coyle's comments are a blatant contradiction of everything Senior said a week ago.

These two people are not singing from the same hymn sheet and the longer that continues the more damaging it will be for BRFC.

Its clear already that Senior doesn't have the power to remove Coyle himself, otherwise he would have already done so. It seems he is now either trying to push Coyle out by making him uncomfortable or undermine him and make his position untenable.

Expect Coyle to depart before relegation is mathematically confirmed but is almost certain. Coyle will jump before he is finally pushed, avoid another relegation on his CV, then will come a claim against the club/Venkys for making his position untenable and a nice payout for him and his staff.

 

 

[tomphil]

Yet another stage managed exit is on the cards and yet again exactly that was predicted a while ago. You could write the script for Rovers these days you really could it's all just window dressing and farce meanwhile behind the scenes nothing has ever really changed. 

Pay offs not play offs.

[J*B]

And in this months instalment of Venkys vs. Kentaro...

[yoda's brother]

3 hours ago, dingles staying down 4ever said:

Where does the Lambert episode fit this theory?

venky brain fart

[tomphil]

3 hours ago, dingles staying down 4ever said:

Where does the Lambert episode fit this theory?

Why does it need to ? He brought huge money in and wasn't allowed to spend so it does fit if you look at it like that although i doubt he knew it at the time. Another set of pawns in the game.

Whatever their motivation for the Lambert farce it was a gamble or tactical move that didn't cost them a penny. Out went Olsson & Rhodes for combined fees totaling c13 million so all the changes comfortably paid for. The biggest puzzle is why they ditched Bowyer when he had hit on the magic formula they seemed to want but then again he probably wasn't playing ball with the right agents so as soon a possible the knife went in.

[JHRover]

If Senior was a real Football Director, and by that I mean someone armed with a budget and authority to hire and fire and sign players, then we would have seen a very different series of events over the last few weeks.

Anyone who knows anything would have quickly recognised this squad is short in key areas, and would have used the January window to rectify those issues.

Most importantly the first thing a new Football Director would do is assert his new authority. He would want his own man in the dugout who he could control and be comfortable working with. He would want to send a message to the fans that he's in control and is running the show from now on. He certainly wouldn't want to continue to work with someone with a pitiful set of results all season who clearly doesn't like him very much. Getting rid of Coyle early doors would have been win-win for Senior. Show everyone who is boss, win a lot of fans over who can't stand Coyle, and get rid of a failing manager and bring in someone better equipped to keep the club up.

The worst possible thing that could happen for a new Football Director would be to suffer relegation within 6 months of his arrival, as it would show that his presence at the club has achieved nothing as the club has continued to sink despite his 'expertise'. He would therefore move heaven and earth to do everything within his power to try and avoid relegation.

What have we had? A lot of sound bites and promises about the future and a loan from Sheffield Wednesday that to me appears to do them more favours than it does us (by getting Joao's salary off the books for 6 months enabling them to loan Rhodes until the end of the season).

[OJRovers]

Senior's number 1 job is to make sure the club spends as little money as possible, and shield the owners from the hassle this will cause.

The problems with sacking Coyle is that it will cost compo money, no-one half decent would be as cheap as Coyle nor would anyone credible work on a negative budget.

Relegation suits Senior's objectives, so I think he will be quite happy to listen to Coyle moan in the knowledge that Coyle won't quit like Lambert because no-one else would employ that clown.