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Haha some folk honestly, don’t have anything to prove to anyone, been spot on the money with a good few leaks yet aye I’m making it all up. Give yourself a rest. I’m not claiming to be anything specia

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Just now, OnePhilT said:

No it's not. I think he hit a confidence block - at least at this club, anyway. I'm not fussed that he's gone and I think we needed freshening up.

Talk was about the goalkeeping situation. Sorry to bring up a point about our previous goalkeeper that might back up the need for new ones.

I wasn’t massively upset by it, but then I wasn’t expecting a young loanee as a replacement.

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Just now, Mercer said:

Mowbray's brief was to keep us that season.  He told us that at Blues back in Feb.  He failed - full stop. 

Do you feel the club, squad and potential is better now or before we were relegated that season?

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19 minutes ago, Mercer said:

In 2015/16 - the season before Mowbray arrived, we finished 15th in the Championship.

In 2018/19, after two and a half seasons with Mowbray in charge, we finished 15th in the Championship.

We are NOT progressing!  When will the penny drop?

If Mowbray gets us any higher than 15th this coming season, I would be extremely surprised.

We've lost a goalie with far more potential than wither Walton or Eastwood and signed Gallagher for £5million because I think Mowbray spunked £7+million away on Brereton.

For me, an underwhelming window so far and that's being generous.

We are progressing sorry your just painting it in the most negative light we where in league 1 and where never really in a relegation battle that's progress from when TM took over. The squad we have now along with the youngsters we have coming through are vastly superior to the one inherited by Mowbray. 

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16 minutes ago, Biz said:

Its a far cry from Coyles Barmy donut Loan army, in my humble opinion.

Bennett, Mulgrew, Evans, Graham, Williams and assumedly now Gallagher still a major part of the starting 11 so... is it really?

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Quote on Walton "Not saying he's awful by any stretch of the imagination, but imho he doesn't command his area all that well, he's reluctant to come off his line and take the ball, and his distribution lacks ambition at times" from the Wigan board.

He sounds exactly like the player we need to improve on our goalkeeper who didn't command his area all that well and whose distribution lacked ambition at times

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33 minutes ago, Biz said:

Using two stats in isolation to prove a point rarely reflects well on the opinion from my experience.

I mean, simply putting in a few elements of what TM inherited compared to what he’s got now would put more meat on the bone.

Its a far cry from Coyles Barmy donut Loan army, in my humble opinion.

Last season, there were eight players from the Coyle era who started at least 23 league games (half a season) or more:

Raya, Nyambe, Mulgrew, Lenihan, Williams, Bennett, Evans and Graham (Mulgrew, Williams & Graham being Coyle permanant signings).

Add to that list Gallagher who Coyle brought in on loan and who now Mowbray has just splashed £5million.

I would also point out that the plethora of Aacademy talent eg Travis, Butterwoth, Buckley, Magloire etc etc was all here when Mowbray arrived and has been developed by Johnno.  

Perhaps Coyle wasn't quite the 'donut' you think.

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Just now, CambridgeRover said:

Quote on Walton "Not saying he's awful by any stretch of the imagination, but imho he doesn't command his area all that well, he's reluctant to come off his line and take the ball, and his distribution lacks ambition at times" from the Wigan board.

He sounds exactly like the player we need to improve on our goalkeeper who didn't command his area all that well and whose distribution lacked ambition at times

Nah. The guy who left's distribution was nothing short of dogshit ?

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Just now, Mattyblue said:

He was 

Look, Coyle didn't deliver at Rovers but by and large, much of last season's team and promising Academy youngsters were all here when Mowbray arrived.

Mowbray has given us Dack with Rothwell also showing much promise.  Other than that, his player trading, IMO, is p1ss poor - £7+million spunked away on Brereton, Raya sold only to see Walton and possibly Eastwood to come in to replace, add an array of over 30's in Downing, Johnson and possibly Adam and it's stuff that doesn't get my pulse racing.

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Just now, Mercer said:

Last season, there were eight players from the Coyle era who started at least 23 league games (half a season) or more:

Raya, Nyambe, Mulgrew, Lenihan, Williams, Bennett, Evans and Graham (Mulgrew, Williams & Graham being Coyle permanant signings).

Add to that list Gallagher who Coyle brought in on loan and who now Mowbray has just splashed £5million.

I would also point out that the plethora of Aacademy talent eg Travis, Butterwoth, Buckley, Magloire etc etc was all here when Mowbray arrived and has been developed by Johnno.  

Perhaps Coyle wasn't quite the 'donut' you think.

Except for that bit about taking us down to the 3rd tier, with 8 of the players who kept us up comfortably last season.

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This is how I think Mowbray sees our pecking order in terms of defenders (providing we do land Adarabioyo).

Right back: Bennett, Adarabioyo, Nyambe

Left back: Bell, Downing, Williams, Hart

Centre Back: Lenihan, Mulgrew, Williams, Adarabioyo, Nyambe

 

A lack of quality defenders and baffling loyalty to the likes of Bennett will be our downfall. I’d love Nyambe to nail down his place and Adarabioyo and Hart to provide a nice surprise, but without a real quality centre back coming in we are in trouble. That’s a relegation defence.

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Just now, Mercer said:

Look, Coyle didn't deliver at Rovers but by and large, much of last season's team and promising Academy youngsters were all here when Mowbray arrived.

Mowbray has given us Dack with Rothwell also showing much promise.  Other than that, his player trading, IMO, is p1ss poor - £7+million spunked away on Brereton, Raya sold only to see Walton and possibly Eastwood to come in to replace, add an array of over 30's in Downing, Johnson and possibly Adam and it's stuff that doesn't get my pulse racing.

Wait you don't like the Brereton deal you should have said. 

The picture you paint of us finishing 15th then 15th a few years later conveniently misses out the coyle spell where he all but relegated the club so no your wrong he was 100% doughnut. 

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Just now, Miller11 said:

This is how I think Mowbray sees our pecking order in terms of defenders (providing we do land Adarabioyo).

Right back: Bennett, Adarabioyo, Nyambe

Left back: Bell, Downing, Williams, Hart

Centre Back: Lenihan, Mulgrew, Williams, Adarabioyo, Nyambe

 

A lack of quality defenders and baffling loyalty to the likes of Bennett will be our downfall. I’d love Nyambe to nail down his place and Adarabioyo and Hart to provide a nice surprise, but without a real quality centre back coming in we are in trouble. That’s a relegation defence.

Its not great tbh but there are others in a worse boat than us in terms of player trading this summer. 

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1 hour ago, Mercer said:

In 2015/16 - the season before Mowbray arrived, we finished 15th in the Championship.

In 2018/19, after two and a half seasons with Mowbray in charge, we finished 15th in the Championship.

We are NOT progressing!  When will the penny drop?

And poor Steve Kean was forced to resign when he had us flying in 3rd in the Championship too....

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1 hour ago, K-Hod said:

Bit of a daft comment. 

Anyone would want good players, regardless of where they come from, surely? If they’re academy products, even better, saves on the transfer fees!

Bit daft, do you think so,I’m talking to folk on this forum, they don’t seem to appreciate bringing guys through,only spending millions. NOT a daft comment thank you.

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1 hour ago, Biz said:

I know I might be sounding a bit left field, but maybe the players we wanted aren’t / or haven’t signed for us for reasons other than our budget?

It might sound crazy, but doesn’t this happen at every club, every season? You get some targets, you miss others?

Not in this case

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Just now, Bbrovers2288 said:

Not heard anything about a cash buy centre back or fraser Campbell- don’t believe that one to be honest. I’m still hoping there is a few going out the door. Nuttall and Smallwood on loans at the very least 

O how i hope this is true. Please lord.

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2 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

I look at evidence, in all likelihood a 23 year old keeper will be sold for £3 million and replaced with a 23 year old loanee. 

The club needs to balance the books, fine. But even if Raya did want to leave, that doesn’t preclude experience being brought in as a replacement 

Along with the expected defensive signings, extremely odd business for a club with one of the worst defences in the EFL.

 

I was one of those most unhappy about Raya going but well over half the message board are asserting Raya cost us at least ten goals and several points last season, convinced he disrupted the defence through poor communication, made rubbish decisions and flapped at every cross. In short, they were insistent he be shipped out and they got their wishes fulfilled. 

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