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Just now, OnePhilT said:

Or perhaps some signings are just easier to wrap up than others...

But we don't need 2 keepers we need one. We have other areas in the starting 11 that need addressing much more urgently than which goal keeper sits on the bench.

 

Just now, Biz said:

It’s not always that simple. Raya May have forced it to the extent where he would be unsettled. They may have had ample choice at that time. I don’t know the full ins and outs, hence why I’d try not to be too close minded about how and why it happened.

What ever the reasons the facts are we sold a player without no replacement secured and are now scratching around for second rate replacements, who are no better than what we sold. Mowbray has previously talked about sides not selling until they have a replacement sorted yet he has gone and done the complete opposite. 

 

Just now, OnePhilT said:

Based on Mowbray's comments, if the player had his heart set on leaving, it's probably best to get the deal done, rather than having somebody who'd rather be elsewhere. I'm not sure that scenario is great for the rest of the players at the club.

That was last week's reason for Raya leaving from Mowbray. This week's reason was that 'We sold our goalie so we could put the money towards a centre forward and a central defender'. The only problem with that idea was that we also had to spend money to replace the goalie. 

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Just now, Glosrover said:

Remind me, what position we’re we in when Mowbray arrived......

Mowbray's brief was to keep us that season.  He told us that at Blues back in Feb.  He failed - full stop. 

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2 hours ago, davulsukur said:

Eh? For real?

Doesn't inspire confidence to a already poor back 4

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2 hours ago, roverandout said:

Mowbary just can't attract decent players. He's a dinosaur of a manager. This season is only going one way and it isn't up

Nail on head IMO>

Also, can you see the likes of Hart, Carson and Ruddy wanting to come to Rovers with the kid Benson as goalkeeper coach!  Think it's laughable.

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11 minutes ago, Bbrovers2288 said:

I wouldn’t think so if Walton comes in, can say that Walton wasn’t considered until very recently so a few deals haven’t come off. Doesn’t look very good on our recruitment to be selling our keeper without having something more solid in place. Don’t think we have reached many of our targets this summer to be honest

It’s not good at all. The only sensible explanation is that they needed it for Gally. Still willing to see how the window ends. Expect a cash buy for a CB

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Just now, Ewood Ace said:

But we don't need 2 keepers we need one. We have other areas in the starting 11 that need addressing much more urgently than which goal keeper sits on the bench.

I have a suspicion that a decision to loan out or even sell Leutwiler has already been made; I'm pretty sure he is going to want first-team football, and I think he'll find that in League One or possibly even at a lower Championship club. This would explain the need for two new goalkeepers - a first-teamer and a reserve.

When all is said and done, I never felt comfortable with Raya in goal. Potential? Yes, but it's quite amazing how just a few months ago he was billed on here as somebody who would be a liability, and yet now he is seen as "the one that got away". I think it's the Steven Reid syndrome; absence makes the heart grow fonder. Done is done. He must have wanted to move on if he was sold this early in the window, and whether it's Mowbray not wanting him anymore, Raya not wanting to be here, or both... It no longer matters. Done is done, and we're going to be having a new goalkeeper, which I welcome, really. We need a shake up across the entire defence.

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Just now, OnePhilT said:

I have a suspicion that a decision to loan out or even sell Leutwiler has already been made; I'm pretty sure he is going to want first-team football, and I think he'll find that in League One or possibly even at a lower Championship club. This would explain the need for two new goalkeepers - a first-teamer and a reserve.

When all is said and done, I never felt comfortable with Raya in goal. Potential? Yes, but it's quite amazing how just a few months ago he was billed on here as somebody who would be a liability, and yet now he is seen as "the one that got away". I think it's the Steven Reid syndrome; absence makes the heart grow fonder. Done is done. He must have wanted to move on if he was sold this early in the window, and whether it's Mowbray not wanting him anymore, Raya not wanting to be here, or both... It no longer matters. Done is done, and we're going to be having a new goalkeeper, which I welcome, really. We need a shake up across the entire defence.

Being a bit disingenuous there, yes he was making mistakes, but most knew he was full of potential. Talk was about competition and replacing the GK coach more than selling Raya.

Edited by Mattyblue

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Just now, Mattyblue said:

Being a bit disingenuous there, yes he was making mistakes, but most knew he was full of potential. Talk was about competition and replacing the GK coach more than selling Raya.

No it's not. I think he hit a confidence block - at least at this club, anyway. I'm not fussed that he's gone and I think we needed freshening up.

Talk was about the goalkeeping situation. Sorry to bring up a point about our previous goalkeeper that might back up the need for new ones.

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Just now, OnePhilT said:

No it's not. I think he hit a confidence block - at least at this club, anyway. I'm not fussed that he's gone and I think we needed freshening up.

Talk was about the goalkeeping situation. Sorry to bring up a point about our previous goalkeeper that might back up the need for new ones.

I wasn’t massively upset by it, but then I wasn’t expecting a young loanee as a replacement.

Edited by Mattyblue

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Just now, Mercer said:

Mowbray's brief was to keep us that season.  He told us that at Blues back in Feb.  He failed - full stop. 

Do you feel the club, squad and potential is better now or before we were relegated that season?

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19 minutes ago, Mercer said:

In 2015/16 - the season before Mowbray arrived, we finished 15th in the Championship.

In 2018/19, after two and a half seasons with Mowbray in charge, we finished 15th in the Championship.

We are NOT progressing!  When will the penny drop?

If Mowbray gets us any higher than 15th this coming season, I would be extremely surprised.

We've lost a goalie with far more potential than wither Walton or Eastwood and signed Gallagher for £5million because I think Mowbray spunked £7+million away on Brereton.

For me, an underwhelming window so far and that's being generous.

We are progressing sorry your just painting it in the most negative light we where in league 1 and where never really in a relegation battle that's progress from when TM took over. The squad we have now along with the youngsters we have coming through are vastly superior to the one inherited by Mowbray. 

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16 minutes ago, Biz said:

Its a far cry from Coyles Barmy donut Loan army, in my humble opinion.

Bennett, Mulgrew, Evans, Graham, Williams and assumedly now Gallagher still a major part of the starting 11 so... is it really?

Edited by DE.

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Just now, Mattyblue said:

I wasn’t massively upset by it, but I wasn’t expecting a young loanee as a replacement.

I won't deny that Walton seems a bit "meh", but I'd be interested to know what Sheffield United supporters thought about Henderson coming on loan to them last season.

Something tells me that our wage budget might not stretch to the Forsters, Harts, or even Carsons of this world. I also got the impression that Gallagher came here because he enjoyed his time here previously more than anything else. I suspect Brentford might have been able to offer him better terms given the amounts of sales they have (and will) make, but who knows?

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Walton and Eastwood ..and a young loanee from city as CB cover. .. don't know how I feel about it tbh. Unless the experienced CB is really good. We just seem to be as weak at the back

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Quote on Walton "Not saying he's awful by any stretch of the imagination, but imho he doesn't command his area all that well, he's reluctant to come off his line and take the ball, and his distribution lacks ambition at times" from the Wigan board.

He sounds exactly like the player we need to improve on our goalkeeper who didn't command his area all that well and whose distribution lacked ambition at times

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33 minutes ago, Biz said:

Using two stats in isolation to prove a point rarely reflects well on the opinion from my experience.

I mean, simply putting in a few elements of what TM inherited compared to what he’s got now would put more meat on the bone.

Its a far cry from Coyles Barmy donut Loan army, in my humble opinion.

Last season, there were eight players from the Coyle era who started at least 23 league games (half a season) or more:

Raya, Nyambe, Mulgrew, Lenihan, Williams, Bennett, Evans and Graham (Mulgrew, Williams & Graham being Coyle permanant signings).

Add to that list Gallagher who Coyle brought in on loan and who now Mowbray has just splashed £5million.

I would also point out that the plethora of Aacademy talent eg Travis, Butterwoth, Buckley, Magloire etc etc was all here when Mowbray arrived and has been developed by Johnno.  

Perhaps Coyle wasn't quite the 'donut' you think.

Edited by Mercer

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Just now, CambridgeRover said:

Quote on Walton "Not saying he's awful by any stretch of the imagination, but imho he doesn't command his area all that well, he's reluctant to come off his line and take the ball, and his distribution lacks ambition at times" from the Wigan board.

He sounds exactly like the player we need to improve on our goalkeeper who didn't command his area all that well and whose distribution lacked ambition at times

Nah. The guy who left's distribution was nothing short of dogshit 😁

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Just now, Mattyblue said:

He was 

Look, Coyle didn't deliver at Rovers but by and large, much of last season's team and promising Academy youngsters were all here when Mowbray arrived.

Mowbray has given us Dack with Rothwell also showing much promise.  Other than that, his player trading, IMO, is p1ss poor - £7+million spunked away on Brereton, Raya sold only to see Walton and possibly Eastwood to come in to replace, add an array of over 30's in Downing, Johnson and possibly Adam and it's stuff that doesn't get my pulse racing.

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Just now, Mercer said:

Last season, there were eight players from the Coyle era who started at least 23 league games (half a season) or more:

Raya, Nyambe, Mulgrew, Lenihan, Williams, Bennett, Evans and Graham (Mulgrew, Williams & Graham being Coyle permanant signings).

Add to that list Gallagher who Coyle brought in on loan and who now Mowbray has just splashed £5million.

I would also point out that the plethora of Aacademy talent eg Travis, Butterwoth, Buckley, Magloire etc etc was all here when Mowbray arrived and has been developed by Johnno.  

Perhaps Coyle wasn't quite the 'donut' you think.

Except for that bit about taking us down to the 3rd tier, with 8 of the players who kept us up comfortably last season.

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