Football League Suspended

[Waggy76]

I am beginning to think that not only this season 2019/20 will be cancelled but next season as well....

There is no way football is going to be played until a vaccine is found !

[Vinjay]

More plans here from the UEFA scum. Just lends more credence to what I've said about "being different" on other page.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/fa-report-confirms-champions-league-21939361

[rigger]

1 hour ago, arbitro said:

The QPR Chief Exec, Lee Hoos makes some really good points about the current (and beyond) issues football is facing. He also mentions that season ticket holders may have to be reimbursed.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11711/11980286/coronavirus-qpr-chief-executive-lee-hoos-fears-clubs-are-being-pushed-to-the-brink

There are comments about protecting the integrity of football.

What integrity?

[Lucimo]

13 hours ago, Tom said:

If it means next season is more likely to happen then I’m leaning towards agreeing with scrapping this season, the bonus of Liverpool not winning the title also helps.

I think especially because it’s Liverpool though all stops will be pulled out to ensure they have officially won it

Spot on. Best case scenario for anti scouse fans of which I am one, is they are awarded it on points per game. At least we can claim they were handed it despite the season never being completed. 

[arbitro]

1 hour ago, rigger said:

There are comments about protecting the integrity of football.

What integrity?

He only mentions integrity in the context of finishing the competitions rather than any other solutions that are being banded about.

Do you not agree with that?

[Exiled_Rover]

47 minutes ago, JayDee said:

Spot on. Best case scenario for anti scouse fans of which I am one, is they are awarded it on points per game. At least we can claim they were handed it despite the season never being completed. 

How do you determine which teams are promoted and relegated?

[rigger]

14 minutes ago, arbitro said:

He only mentions integrity in the context of finishing the competitions rather than any other solutions that are being banded about.

Do you not agree with that?

I would be more interested on his views on the merit of the Saudi takeover at Newcastle 

[Vinjay]

21 minutes ago, rigger said:

I would be more interested on his views on the merit of the Saudi takeover at Newcastle 

Well he's a FUP lover isn't he so it's obvious.

[Lucimo]

56 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

How do you determine which teams are promoted and relegated?

I believe the points per game system is what uefa are recommending or sporting merit as they call it. Your average points per game so far is awarded for your remaining games, and thus all promotion and relegation decided by this. At least I think that's how it works. I'm not saying it's right, I personally think the season should be null and void. And reset when we can safely get back up an running(this also means resetting Bolton on minus 12 points) 

[Vinjay]

Part of the stuff discussed would mean general employees need to be cooler as well. No dress code. Dress as outlandish as you like whatever legalities allow. Reach out to groups like punks, etc (I don't know much about them to be honest but I know they are considered sub culture) and if the "normal fans" give them a hard time ban them. Allow freedom of speech (and hostility to opponents) but zero tolerance on abusing fellow fans. The type of fans who whined about protesters in the past and did everything they could to piss on their efforts could be driven out. 

If you run an academy to the bare bones (and deliberately sign players who are Championship standard at best) and sign players between 28-32 (you could rotate every 5 years) it gives the impression that the club isn't a "stepping stone" for anybody. If players want to leave let them take a sideways step or below. No more sell best player, spend the transfer fee, repeat cycle. Dack would have to go for a start. The best players at a certain level who won't want to go elsewhere. Maybe if the club got promoted some of them wouldn't be quite good enough? So what? If the tickets are next to nothing people could handle a bad season. 

Perhaps the club could have a few "stepping stone" type players (while in the Championship) but if the club reaches the EPL only sign midtable standard players. That's likely the absolute peak with FUP around anyway. That way they won't be around just so they can be sold to someone else. The best players stay until they are no longer good enough. Or if they are unhappy for whatever reason take a step sideways. Wouldn't you rather be in the EPL with a team where Emerton/Pedersen types are the best player and likely good enough to stay up? 

If you can't build the club's marketing with the current fans then you need to bring in new ones. Being as radical as possible is the only thing we will achieve this. St Pauli was mentioned and they are different but the players seem to be fairly typical. They could push it even further. Apparently they have 11 million fans across Germany and several overseas fanclubs. Rovers have overseas fanclubs too of course but that's often formed by people who used to live in the area. Or typical overseas fans just to a lesser extent than the most prominent clubs. 

Honestly even if FUP was scrapped and a major takeover happened that probably wouldn't be enough given all the past baggage. A complete transformation would be the only way. Once this lockdown is over I'm making a clean break. I've been going elsewhere lately anyway. Just because I don't like going to Ewood does not mean I can't go elsewhere (not Man City) and watch live football. Watching on Tv does not do much for me. I've been to some games before the virus halted everything. Not going to say where other than it's further away than Manchester. There's the MLS as well without UEFA's garbage. I did follow NYCFC for a bit (I've always liked New York but they were quite right to feel aggrieved by the Lampard situation) but when I rejoined here in 2016 that faded away. Las Vegas might be in the MLS one day. Maybe follow them. Or Austin FC (sounds silly but as a wrestling fan I really like that name lol). What's the difference between now and 2014-15? Mentally I feel much better. That's the key. Will it last? I damn sure hope so. If I stop posting on here regularly then you will know. 

Edited April 29, 2020 by Vinjay

[PeteJD13]

6 hours ago, Waggy76 said:

I am beginning to think that not only this season 2019/20 will be cancelled but next season as well....

There is no way football is going to be played until a vaccine is found !

football is worth to much money they'll play behind closed doors, I think crowds are a goner until there is some sort of vaccine or testing, the quickest ever vaccine took 4 years to create test and roll out. If it takes that football will be long gone, so I think some sort of compromise will be found. Interesting that the leagues with small tv deals are ending the seasons. Seria A Bundesliga La Liga all plan to restart in the next two months. We don't know what the picture will look like as a country then, I suspect the government will want sport back for moral as much as anything else

[Tom]

I predict we’ll see a test run in June, behind closed door friendly filmed for TV with all the same sort of logistics before we see the start of the season 

[Bigdoggsteel]

Saturday would have been our last game V Luton. 

Holtby is fit again going off Instagram. Him and Dack back if things do get going.....

[roversfan99]

Dack is nowhere near being fit, almost certainly hasnt cut months off such a serious injury. Even said in the LT recently that he wont be back until late in the year. Holtby planned on being back for any potential play offs but is in Germany so would need to self isolate for 2 weeks first.

That being said, we might not have any football before late in the year anyway if common sense is used.

 

[Leonard Venkhater]

5 hours ago, arbitro said:

He only mentions integrity in the context of finishing the competitions rather than any other solutions that are being banded about.

Do you not agree with that?

You are right there, but it is too hard to resist a dig at the self righteous concept of "football integrity"..

[Crimpshrine]

5 hours ago, Vinjay said:

Part of the stuff discussed would mean general employees need to be cooler as well. No dress code. Dress as outlandish as you like whatever legalities allow. Reach out to groups like punks, etc (I don't know much about them to be honest but I know they are considered sub culture) and if the "normal fans" give them a hard time ban them. Allow freedom of speech (and hostility to opponents) but zero tolerance on abusing fellow fans. The type of fans who whined about protesters in the past and did everything they could to piss on their efforts could be driven out. 

If you run an academy to the bare bones (and deliberately sign players who are Championship standard at best) and sign players between 28-32 (you could rotate every 5 years) it gives the impression that the club isn't a "stepping stone" for anybody. If players want to leave let them take a sideways step or below. No more sell best player, spend the transfer fee, repeat cycle. Dack would have to go for a start. The best players at a certain level who won't want to go elsewhere. Maybe if the club got promoted some of them wouldn't be quite good enough? So what? If the tickets are next to nothing people could handle a bad season. 

Perhaps the club could have a few "stepping stone" type players (while in the Championship) but if the club reaches the EPL only sign midtable standard players. That's likely the absolute peak with FUP around anyway. That way they won't be around just so they can be sold to someone else. The best players stay until they are no longer good enough. Or if they are unhappy for whatever reason take a step sideways. Wouldn't you rather be in the EPL with a team where Emerton/Pedersen types are the best player and likely good enough to stay up? 

If you can't build the club's marketing with the current fans then you need to bring in new ones. Being as radical as possible is the only thing we will achieve this. St Pauli was mentioned and they are different but the players seem to be fairly typical. They could push it even further. Apparently they have 11 million fans across Germany and several overseas fanclubs. Rovers have overseas fanclubs too of course but that's often formed by people who used to live in the area. Or typical overseas fans just to a lesser extent than the most prominent clubs. 

Honestly even if FUP was scrapped and a major takeover happened that probably wouldn't be enough given all the past baggage. A complete transformation would be the only way. Once this lockdown is over I'm making a clean break. I've been going elsewhere lately anyway. Just because I don't like going to Ewood does not mean I can't go elsewhere (not Man City) and watch live football. Watching on Tv does not do much for me. I've been to some games before the virus halted everything. Not going to say where other than it's further away than Manchester. There's the MLS as well without UEFA's garbage. I did follow NYCFC for a bit (I've always liked New York but they were quite right to feel aggrieved by the Lampard situation) but when I rejoined here in 2016 that faded away. Las Vegas might be in the MLS one day. Maybe follow them. Or Austin FC (sounds silly but as a wrestling fan I really like that name lol). What's the difference between now and 2014-15? Mentally I feel much better. That's the key. Will it last? I damn sure hope so. If I stop posting on here regularly then you will know. 

great stuff - don't stop posting. Have you ever thought of joining the fans forum ?

[Vinjay]

That is a committee style operation and they are an absolute waste of time. The last thing I want to do is serve on a committee with Rovers fans. My style of management would be pretty straightforward. I tell someone to do something...they do it. I could make anything into a story given the opportunity. Think about advertising for instance. The boards round the stadium could go to cooler, counter culture brands (which were not intended to be brands in some cases such as "anti social social club") and initially offer it to them for next to nothing. Or tell them to pay whatever they deem fair. Eventually if you attract some of the people who gravitate to such brands more would want to come on board.

Let me give an example of controversy. If I gained control on the opening (home) day of the League 1 season you know what I would have done for publicity? Have Alex Ferguson kicked out. Granted it wouldn't be for no reason (given disrespectful comments he's made in the past) and can you imagine how much controversy would arise from that? I think some people would have considered that to be cool. If you take an attitude of "no f**** given then you're gonna attract people who are naturally rebellious and want to be in an environment where you never know what could happen next. That's what a football club in the Championship which has "been there done that" needs to be. Especially with FUP and really even the clubs who haven't "been there" namely the EPL (and certainly haven't won it) could take some of this stuff on board.  

Edited April 30, 2020 by Vinjay

[Oldgregg86]

I do like your mentality vinjay. I agree with quite abit of what your saying and some I thinks crazy but I do get where your coming from. I don’t think supporting teams in the MLS is the best way to get away from commercialism though and if Las Vegas has a team then I should imagine it would be the exact opposite of what your looking for . 

[Vinjay]

15 minutes ago, Oldgregg86 said:

I do like your mentality vinjay. I agree with quite abit of what your saying and some I thinks crazy but I do get where your coming from. I don’t think supporting teams in the MLS is the best way to get away from commercialism though and if Las Vegas has a team then I should imagine it would be the exact opposite of what your looking for . 

I guess being more rebellious is a form is commercialism. Yes granted the MLS is corporate. It's a more even league though and all teams have the hope of achieving something unlike European clubs. Salary caps are not based on an absolutely crooked FUP system. Granted most European clubs don't get major takeovers (and really how many sheikhs are there?) and become the biggest spending club (in England at least in Rovers case for a period) out there. A takeover was the answer for me in the past but what's the point of trying to be the absolute best you can be anymore? Be the most different and try to be as competitive as you can. If there's a position to fill and the more marketable player isn't as good as a better option go for the marketable player if they are still good enough for the Championship. As I've said before if you reach that consistent peak level (midtable EPL in all likelihood enough more competent owners could be required) then you can avoid signing "stepping stone" type players altogether. As I've said signing players who are 28. 29 etc won't be purchased from the Championship as often as younger ones do. Occasionally they might get the chance of a move but if it's to a midtable EPL club the step isn't all that big. A couple of years later you could be in that position yourselves.

Edited April 30, 2020 by Vinjay

[HowieFive0]

So basically vinjay ..an 80s Wimbledon Crazy Gang club scenario ..

[tomphil]

Blackeye Rovers did all right for a while, who needs the crazy gang !

[arbitro]

Rovers players, staff and management agree to wage deferrals.

https://www.rovers.co.uk/news/2020/april/club-statement/

[tomphil]

Fair play on reaching agreements although not sure what other choices they actually had, like the rest of us.

[Hasta]

The season needs to be either cancelled or finished behind closed doors.

Finishing it on points per game would be a nonsense. 

Relegating Villa, who have a game in hand having reached a cup final, would be farcical.

Not relegating teams from the Premier League, whilst relegating teams from the Champinship would also be farcical.

[Stuart]

5 hours ago, arbitro said:

Rovers players, staff and management agree to wage deferrals.

https://www.rovers.co.uk/news/2020/april/club-statement/

Disgusted that Rovers have furloughed staff. All of Venkys cash and we as tax payers are paying instead of them.