Summer transfer window 2021.

[blondie]

3 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Do players want to be waiting around for a contract?

3 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

If a competent CEO and Chief Accountant cannot hand on heart assure a player that an embargo will be lifted, then obviously they will look elsewhere.,The 64 million Dollar question is why were they so unsure of exiting an embargo.

How close to the wire were we, and how are we, long term, ever going to be a professionally cohesive unit both off field and on.

The whole set up reeks of complacency and a inevitability of our circumstances.

[Bigdoggsteel]

49 minutes ago, blondie said:

If a competent CEO and Chief Accountant cannot hand on heart assure a player that an embargo will be lifted, then obviously they will look elsewhere.,The 64 million Dollar question is why were they so unsure of exiting an embargo.

How close to the wire were we, and how are we, long term, ever going to be a professionally cohesive unit both off field and on.

The whole set up reeks of complacency and a inevitability of our circumstances.

Inevitability of our circumstances is a good description. I have always tried to be positive as a supporter, but if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, there isn't any point saying we have a prize winning , pedigree stallion. 

If we are lauding our young players, we have to say it's not the ideal environment for them. So it could well end up being a huge missed opportunity. 

Edited July 11, 2021 by Bigdoggsteel

[arbitro]

48 minutes ago, blondie said:

If a competent CEO and Chief Accountant cannot hand on heart assure a player that an embargo will be lifted, then obviously they will look elsewhere.,The 64 million Dollar question is why were they so unsure of exiting an embargo.

How close to the wire were we, and how are we, long term, ever going to be a professionally cohesive unit both off field and on.

The whole set up reeks of complacency and a inevitability of our circumstances.

You missed the word incompetent from your last sentence.

😁😁

[rovers11]

Obefemi + money for Armstrong would be an incredible deal for us but I don't see it happening. I'm sure we'll ask for that deal but I think the Saints will politely tell us to do one. 

[blondie]

3 minutes ago, arbitro said:

You missed the word incompetent from your last sentence.

😁😁

Was hoping that isn't true, like a drowning man clutching at straws.

[Sparks Rover]

17 minutes ago, rovers11 said:

Obefemi + money for Armstrong would be an incredible deal for us but I don't see it happening. I'm sure we'll ask for that deal but I think the Saints will politely tell us to do one. 

You think? Looks injury prone and his manager slags him off for his professionalism...I'd say Soton are nailing our hats on again.🙄

[Angry_Pirate]

Have we paid off the full Gallagher transfer? He's half way through a £5m deal, chances are we probably owe some more in installments. Over £1.5m, I'd guess.

Armstrong = (Net) £10m profit, Obafemi and Gallagher dept wiped.

Could be a fantastic way to preserve some of that 40%.

Remember that crazy deal we made with them in 1998 for Kevin Davies. Think we gave them £7.5m, James Beattie AND Stuart Ripley. About time they returned that favour, let alone the Gallagher one.

[roversfan99]

40 minutes ago, rovers11 said:

Obefemi + money for Armstrong would be an incredible deal for us but I don't see it happening. I'm sure we'll ask for that deal but I think the Saints will politely tell us to do one. 

What makes you say incredible? The best of a bad situation perhaps, but we are losing a proven, prolific goalscorer off the back of a 28 goal season to potentially replace with a raw and unproven replacement.

[Bigdoggsteel]

2 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

I actually think that Mowbray is right to have a grievance as to the incompetence above him that had caused us to be under a totally avoidable transfer embargo. As it is, said incompetence from our handsomely paid CEO and of course the continued negligence of our owners helps to keep him in a job that he no longer merits, so I suppose it is swings and roundabouts in that if the owners and the running of the club were proactive and effective, then he wouldn't be here.

The Obafemi rumour seems like a Nixon special, there is "a lot to do on the deal" ie it is unlikely to materialise but cannot be proven wrong. As it is, a swap could be a very useful method of getting in a replacement, although I am unsure if Obafemi would be valued to ensure that Newcastle are not short changed by a loop hole on any deal.

As it is, Obafemi is a very raw kid who no one can claim to really have seen much of, very little senior experience and 4 career goals, plus a serious muscular injury last season. Him replacing a 28 goal striker might well be the best that we can get, assuming it is a permanent deal rather than a loan which would be a no go 100%. But it would be hard to view the deal as anything other than a massive downgrade, replacing a proven goalscorer with a raw talent, on the back of losing Elliott, it all doesnt really bode well but with Armstrong having only a year left, what else can we do?!

He's raw, but he has scored goals at Premier League level and that's more than Armstrong ever did. Actually he was the same age as Obafemi when he left Newcastle on loan and with one league 1 season apart, the last 2 have been his most proficient at championship level. I agree though, at the moment like for like ,it's a concern. I wouldn't look too much into his injuries at this stage. I have seen him a few times. He's very fast and I would say stronger than Armstrong. Obviously putting the ball in the onion bag is the most important thing and it's unlikely he would score 28 goals next season, but as we saw, one player doing that guarantees no success for the team. 

Anyway, I can't see us signing Obafemi, for numerous reasons. I would certainly take him over some of the names linked, but it's unlikely Southampton will let him go in any deal I would imagine. 

 

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

What makes you say incredible? The best of a bad situation perhaps, but we are losing a proven, prolific goalscorer off the back of a 28 goal season to potentially replace with a raw and unproven replacement.

So who would replace Armstrong with then? Any suggestions or just want to negative about a player who could be good signing here if we use him right and develop him. 

You wasn't a big fan of Armstrong playing up front before he did and you knock my suggestion back in December 2019 that we should make Armstrong our main striker and he would produce the goals. Look at how that went. 

Edited July 11, 2021 by chaddyrovers

[Sparks Rover]

12 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

my suggestion back in December 2020 that we should make Armstrong our main striker 

And keep Mogadon as manager.....as per your suggest.

[roversfan99]

17 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

He's raw, but he has scored goals at Premier League level and that's more than Armstrong ever did. Actually he was the same age as Obafemi when he left Newcastle on loan and with one league 1 season apart, the last 2 have been his most proficient at championship level. I agree though, at the moment like for like ,it's a concern. I wouldn't look too much into his injuries at this stage. I have seen him a few times. He's very fast and I would say stronger than Armstrong. Obviously putting the ball in the onion bag is the most important thing and it's unlikely he would score 28 goals next season, but as we saw, one player doing that guarantees no success for the team. 

Anyway, I can't see us signing Obafemi, for numerous reasons. I would certainly take him over some of the names linked, but it's unlikely Southampton will let him go in any deal I would imagine. 

 

As you say, it is unlikely (very) that we would replace the goal tally that Armstrong gave us, so a Tony Mowbray managed Rovers without its main goalscorer doesnt bode well.

I very much think even if we had a chunk of the Armstrong money that the calibre of players we would be looking at and able to attract are ones that are unproven in some way so maybe Obafemi would be as good as we could get.

14 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

So who would replace Armstrong with then? Any suggestions or just want to negative about a player who could be good signing here if we use him right and develop him. 

You wasn't a big fan of Armstrong playing up front before he did and you knock my suggestion back in December 2020 that we should make Armstrong our main striker and he would produce the goals. Look at how that went. 

What is there to be positive about selling your best player?! Why would that be a positive thing, especially under the same manager?

You yourself said that you was far from convinced about Obafemi didnt you?

[bluebruce]

1 hour ago, Angry_Pirate said:

 

Remember that crazy deal we made with them in 1998 for Kevin Davies. Think we gave them £7.5m, James Beattie AND Stuart Ripley. About time they returned that favour, let alone the Gallagher one.

That's not what the deal for Davies was. It was 7 or 7.5 million, Beattie went the other way but as part of that 7.5m. I think he was valued at 1 mill in the trade, so we will have paid 6 or 6.5 million, plus Beattie. Ripley was an entirely separate deal the same year for about 2 million apparently. He was nearly 31 at the time so that probably wasn't  a bad sale.

The Davies deal was a shocker though and always goes down as the worst ever for me. Amplified by the fact that even that same season Beattie had a much better season than Davies, who we sold back for a significant loss whilst bringing the even worse Egil Ostenstad over as part of the deal. And made worse again by the fact that eventually those bastards Bolton got him for free, at which point he went on to be excellent for them. Scored more against us than for us I'm sure, despite all the money wasted.

[bluebruce]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

You wasn't a big fan of Armstrong playing up front before he did and you knock my suggestion back in December 2020 that we should make Armstrong our main striker and he would produce the goals. Look at how that went. 

Armstrong was already our main striker and producing lots of goals in December 2020. Did you mean 2019?

[Fraserkirky]

5 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

That's not what the deal for Davies was. It was 7 or 7.5 million, Beattie went the other way but as part of that 7.5m. I think he was valued at 1 mill in the trade, so we will have paid 6 or 6.5 million, plus Beattie. Ripley was an entirely separate deal the same year for about 2 million apparently. He was nearly 31 at the time so that probably wasn't  a bad sale.

The Davies deal was a shocker though and always goes down as the worst ever for me. Amplified by the fact that even that same season Beattie had a much better season than Davies, who we sold back for a significant loss whilst bringing the even worse Egil Ostenstad over as part of the deal. And made worse again by the fact that eventually those bastards Bolton got him for free, at which point he went on to be excellent for them. Scored more against us than for us I'm sure, despite all the money wasted.

It was a series of disasterous striker transactions. Davies was absolutely brutal.

[chaddyrovers]

50 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

What is there to be positive about selling your best player?! Why would that be a positive thing, especially under the same manager?

I never said that it was positive thing selling Armstrong did I? 

Whether you like it or not Mowbray is still the manager of the club. So we can keep discussing this until the cows come home or accept that he is manager despite us both wanting a change of manager? Hopefully he can turn it around and produces the wins we need. I am looking forward to the season and getting back to watching my team live in stadium football

50 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

You yourself said that you was far from convinced about Obafemi didnt you?

But I haver written him off like you have already again like you do alot. You doubted whether Armstrong would produced the goals if we played him up front when myself and others were more than confident he would. 

Also notice that you didn't name who you would sign as Armstrong's replacement but I guess you don't know who you would sign

[chaddyrovers]

4 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

Armstrong was already our main striker and producing lots of goals in December 2020. Did you mean 2019?

correct and now change it

[chaddyrovers]

3 hours ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

I wouldn't say I'm "moaning" , just dealing with reality. You're saying we are going to challenge for the play offs and that the squad we have now is good, but we need 4-5 signings , of which we have zero at the moment. You seem to have put the fact we have Mowbray as manager in a compartment and have decided to ignore that elephant in the room and focus on being positive, but don't be surprised when people say "wait a minute chaddy, that's all well and good, but we still have an average, at best manager , who won 2 games in 17 last season and now appears to have lost the dressing room"  and that's ignoring the other elephant,which is venkys. It doesn't bode well. 

We should be challenging the playoffs and the manager whoever that this should be the expectations. 

Lost the dressing room? 

[Bigdoggsteel]

19 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

We should be challenging the playoffs and the manager whoever that this should be the expectations. 

Lost the dressing room? 

I'd say they are shocked he is still the manager 

[Blue blood]

It's interesting that some people are getting annoyed that others are negative about the upcoming season. I'd suggest on a message board you are going to hear opinions that you don't like. It goes with the territory. 

I'm astounded though that they are surprised at the negativity. We have a manager out of his depth who specialises in making things worse, we have a paper thin squad reliant on crocks and kids, most of our better players are out of contract within the next year or so and we have the worse owners in football history. Gee, I cannot think why anyone might be a tad worried about the upcoming season. 

[rigger]

1 hour ago, Blue blood said:

It's interesting that some people are getting annoyed that others are negative about the upcoming season. I'd suggest on a message board you are going to hear opinions that you don't like. It goes with the territory. 

I'm astounded though that they are surprised at the negativity. We have a manager out of his depth who specialises in making things worse, we have a paper thin squad reliant on crocks and kids, most of our better players are out of contract within the next year or so and we have the worse owners in football history. Gee, I cannot think why anyone might be a tad worried about the upcoming season. 

I don't think it is so much getting annoyed at negative thoughts, but that some are almost depressive. 

[Blue blood]

3 hours ago, rigger said:

I don't think it is so much getting annoyed at negative thoughts, but that some are almost depressive. 

Indeed, but it is a depressive situation is it not? I mean from squad to management to owners it all looks appalling, which seems pretty depressing to me! 

[RoversClitheroe]

5 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

We should be challenging the playoffs and the manager whoever that this should be the expectations. 

Lost the dressing room? 

😂 We've got Mowbray as manager who you yourself (since last season) and myself (for over 3 years) has slated, how can you possibly expect us to get Top 6? 

Edited July 11, 2021 by RoversClitheroe

[davulsukur]

5 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

We should be challenging the playoffs and the manager whoever that this should be the expectations. 

Lost the dressing room? 

We absolutely are not getting anywhere near the playoffs with that squad and certainly not with Mowbray in charge.

[Blue blood]

9 minutes ago, davulsukur said:

We absolutely are not getting anywhere near the playoffs with that squad and certainly not with Mowbray in charge.

Yes not sure how people can think this if TM couldn't manage it with a better squad how on earth will he do it with a weaker one.