QPR Away / Mercer’s Wine Club

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

11 hours ago, 47er said:

We need (have always needed) a 6ft+ nasty bastard with elbows, who can give the centre-backs a hard time, shoot, score with his head and can knock it down for Armstrong to do the business.

That also means width and deep crosses from the wings, a winger also provides an outlet for the defence as opposed to banging it up the centre from where it returns.

Its bloody basic!

That's how you get out of this league. Didn't the dingles have Vokes and Ings playing those roles ? Simple ways of playing that everybody understands are the best ways. You can see the players are as confused as everybody else is.

I'm expecting Jim to be on soon reminding us that a similar striker, Murray who's just joined Forest, got two yesterday albeit one was a pen. However it says a lot about the bloke that he was taking pens on his debut !

Edited February 7, 2021 by Tyrone Shoelaces

[47er]

4 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

That's how you get out of this league. Didn't the dingles have Vokes and Ings playing those roles ? Simple ways of playing that everybody understands are the best ways. You can see the players are as confused as everybody else is.

I'm expecting Jim to be on soon reminding us that a similar striker, Murray who's just joined Forest, got two yesterday albeit one was a pen. However it says a lot about the bloke that he was taking pens on is debut !

A young Danny Graham would be good. There'd be plenty of talent around him.

[arbitro]

48 minutes ago, DavidMailsTightPerm said:

Did TM explain the Nyambe sub - only reason would be fitness (given his issues, understandable).

Can somebody please confirm if we have a year option on Nyambe - I am sure I saw it reported we did.

Regarding back 4 - we have one centre half to come back from long term injury - and a new left back due in the summer.

On the match - we looked the better team for much of the match - but the fine margins that went for us in the previous 2 matches went against us in this. TBH with the players at TMs disposal we shouldn't have to rely on fine margins.

I don't think there was any issues with Nyambe apart from the fact he is Mowbrays patsy. He is dropped for ridiculous reasons and yesterday I would love to know how Mowbray saw Harwood-Bellis as a better option whilst sticking to his flat back four. I could understand it if we had gone to a back three of Harwood-Bellis, Lenihan and Branthwaite but he didn't. Some of Mowbrays decisions are incomprehensible and his panic ridden substitutions summed up what he is.

I honestly wouldn't blame Nyambe if he walked away in the summer and in my view Mowbrays treatment of him will have played a part in this. Poor, poor management from a man who looks like he is drowning in a sea of mediocrity.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

11 minutes ago, 47er said:

A young Danny Graham would be good. There'd be plenty of talent around him.

To be honest with you the team and the players have been messed around that much under this guy that I'm at loss to know who is a good player and who isn't so good, what their strengths and weaknesses are etc. You need players playing  in their correct positions for a decent amount of time to get the best out of them.

I was thinking about a "predicting the score " competition for Rovers games. It'd be much harder to predict the team and the formation. That's just ridiculous.

I get the feeling that Mowbray sees something about a different way of playing, this false No 9 for instance, and thinks " Yeah, we'll have a go at that ". I don't get the feeling that he thinks " What are my players best at ? Let's build a system around their particular skills ". I don't get the feeling that he has had a coherent plan and his signings have been bought with a view to fulfilling that plan.

Edited February 7, 2021 by Tyrone Shoelaces

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

By the way, there's nothing new about the " false number 9 " system. Hungary famously murdered England 6-3 and 7-1 using it back in the 1950's. People have worked out ways to combat it since then.

[darrenrover]

We should have offered £750k with add ons in January, for Dion Charles at Accy Stanley IMO.

Admittedly he's not a big and cumbersome type of striker but he bagged a hat-trick yesterday and looks like he can score for fun.

What's our scouting network doing when he's on our doorstep but yet they saw it fit to pay £5 million for Gallagher?

[Wheelton Blue]

1 hour ago, Parsonblue said:

Like arbitro, I hadn't got a clue as to what formation we were playing or what role the players had.  The substitutions - particularly replacing Nyambe with the kid from City - were mystifying at times. 

The Nyambe substitution really irritated me.  Here we have a really good prospect who should be our right-back for years to come.  A lad who has all the qualities required to play that position in the modern game and yet in the summer I feel sure he will be off and who could blame him.  We will no doubt spend next season with a make-do-and-mend job until someone realises that full-back is a specialist position and needs a specialist in it!

 

What a great post.

The biggest thing which irked me yesterday was Mowbray bring on the City lad at full back to replace Nyambe. We supposedly have a good prospect - Pike - at right back, so why on earth does Mowbray  choose to play a loanee instead, and even worse, play him out of position? 

Edited February 7, 2021 by Wheelton Blue

[Mercer]

20 minutes ago, darrenrover said:

We should have offered £750k with add ons in January, for Dion Charles at Accy Stanley IMO.

Admittedly he's not a big and cumbersome type of striker but he bagged a hat-trick yesterday and looks like he can score for fun.

What's our scouting network doing when he's on our doorstep but yet they saw it fit to pay £5 million for Gallagher?

Exactly the same as they were when we 'missed' Vardy at Fleetwood some 8 years ago!

[RoversClitheroe]

3 minutes ago, Wheelton Blue said:

What a great post.

The biggest thing which irked me yesterday was Mowbray bring on the City lad at full back to replace Nyambe. We supposedly have a good prospect - Pike - at right back, so why on earth does Mowbray  choose to play a loanee instead, and even worse, play him out of position? 

This is the main point.

Wtf is Mowbray thinking? 

Awful tactical decision to replace an attacking RB with a CB. Mowbray hates him doesn't he? 

[CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber]

18 hours ago, Cherry Blue said:

Another poor performance. We are not worthy of a visit to the top 6.

Under a new manager next season things will be different.  

Your second line here spells out how I'm approaching Rovers now to keep myself sane. I'm viewing it a bit like Covid in a "things won't always be like this" type of way.

Absolutely not trying to compare the horrendous disease to Mowbray's spell at Rovers, or in any way trying to belittle the disaster it has been for the entire world, but I'm so over Mowbray and his bang average management that I'm just going to remember it won't always be like this. 

[RoversClitheroe]

2 minutes ago, CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber said:

Your second line here spells out how I'm approaching Rovers now to keep myself sane. I'm viewing it a bit like Covid in a "things won't always be like this" type of way.

Absolutely not trying to compare the horrendous disease to Mowbray's spell at Rovers, or in any way trying to belittle the disaster it has been for the entire world, but I'm so over Mowbray and his bang average management that I'm just going to remember it won't always be like this. 

I don't think I'm overreacting, but my dislike for Mowbray is growing to K*** levels, both awful managers and never noticing there mistakes or rectifying them

Edited February 7, 2021 by RoversClitheroe

[chaddyrovers]

12 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Im not sure that he is reactionary necessarily, analogies aside. In fact he often goes out of his way to try and second guess opposition tactics, threats and weaknesses to the point that he fails to generate that level of consistency in his selections. You look at examples of playing 2 left backs against Oldham to try and nullify Oldhams right back, or even today the way that he lined up the front 3.

You look at the likes of Swansea, 3 at the back and wing backs, Ayew and Lowe up front, they play the same every week, Brentford with their 433, Norwich with their 4231. The players invariably change with unavailability etc but someone else comes in and keeps that continuity. Mowbray needs to look at it, who are our biggest goal threats? Dack and Armstrong, build around them. Kaminski, Nyambe, Lenihan, Branthwaite and Douglas with Travis and possibly Davenport as a shield. And then probably Elliott and one space up for grabs out wide. If one comes out, like for like in.

He also has a big problem in chasing games without going gung ho to the detriment of the balance of our side. That was a criticism even going back to his Celtic days. We needed a goal and regularly had the likes of Elliott and Dack in front of the defence where they dont offer a threat. There was no need to have Brereton, Dolan AND Elliott all on today. When Holtby went off, Downing should have come on.

I think he got to drop this false 9 stuff if we are going to the playoffs. We could have gone 2 up front yesterday with diamond shape midfield behind Gallagher and Armstrong. Or Play Dolan on the left of a front 3/3 behind the main striker which would be Armstrong every day of the week. 

I think Gallagher is better coming of the bench personally. 

I dont see playing Elliott and Dack with Travis in midfield in chasing games. 

Dack isn't fit enough to start first team games yet. We have to manage his game time from now to the end of the season. 

Mowbray has stuck to playing 4-3-3 formation most of the season but changing it whether its Armstrong has the main striker or using a false 9(which I wouldn't personally). 

Downing I wouldn't play now. He was pointless signing really. 

 

[chaddyrovers]

37 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said:

I don't think I'm overreacting, but my dislike for Mowbray is growing to K*** levels, both awful managers and never noticing there mistakes or rectifying them

You need to serious calm down pal. 

Mowbray is nothing like Kean full stop. 

Its an insult to Mowbray and the job he has done here in rebuilding the club in mention his name in the same post/sentence has Kean.  

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

39 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said:

I don't think I'm overreacting, but my dislike for Mowbray is growing to K*** levels

You are massively overreacting and need some perspective. 

[Tormund]

Kean dislike levels definitely not, doesn’t stop him being a poor manager though. 

[simongarnerisgod]

20 minutes ago, Tormund said:

Kean dislike levels definitely not, doesn’t stop him being a poor manager though. 

i like mowbray as a person,im`e sure he`s an honest,decent fellow,as a manager though i think he`s a poor coach,poor tactician and a bad man manager,you could get away with it in a lower league but the higher up you go the more your weaknesses will find you out

[LDRover]

Anyway, how was the wine everyone?

I had a bottle of £4 I ♡ Pinot Grigio from th'Asda and have got a head like Birkenhead this morning.

How are the rest of you?

[ben_the_beast]

Mowbray talking absolute marbles in his false 9 justification. Mate is a QPR fan and read Mowbrays comments. This is what he had to say and from the rest of our chats was totally baffled by Mowbray but thanks him for the 3 points.

[StevenSK]

8 minutes ago, ben_the_beast said:

Mowbray talking absolute marbles in his false 9 justification. Mate is a QPR fan and read Mowbrays comments. This is what he had to say and from the rest of our chats was totally baffled by Mowbray but thanks him for the 3 points.

He’s using the media to explain his failings to India not the fans. We’ve already seen through his BS

[roversfan99]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

I think he got to drop this false 9 stuff if we are going to the playoffs. We could have gone 2 up front yesterday with diamond shape midfield behind Gallagher and Armstrong. Or Play Dolan on the left of a front 3/3 behind the main striker which would be Armstrong every day of the week. 

I think Gallagher is better coming of the bench personally. 

I dont see playing Elliott and Dack with Travis in midfield in chasing games. 

Dack isn't fit enough to start first team games yet. We have to manage his game time from now to the end of the season. 

Mowbray has stuck to playing 4-3-3 formation most of the season but changing it whether its Armstrong has the main striker or using a false 9(which I wouldn't personally). 

Downing I wouldn't play now. He was pointless signing really. 

 

You have constantly downplayed the return of Dack, whether he would never be the same again or indeed repeatedly asking for him to be sold, but lets stop this nonsense about his fitness. He has been fit for a couple of months and made a cameo on boxing day, he made 3 cameos in fact within was it 10 days or so, scoring in the last one. That was on the back of under 23 appearances, and then he went on to play the majority of a game in the cup, albeit in a stupid position. He has since reverted back to cameo appearances, he played for the kids again (a full 90 minutes) last week, he is now in a position whereby he wont get any fitter/sharper without starting League games, and until he does, he wont get back to the player we know. He has to start games in his best position. Armstrong's goals are not as frequent and the supporting cast quite simply do not come up with the goods, of course not aided by our tactical inconsistencies.

He has repeatedly flirted with other formations, this box midfield (4222) has been seen on numerous occasions lately which tends to leave us congested in midfield and with the strikers too far apart. The false 9 bollocks as you rightly criticise is never far away.

At this stage in a managers tenure, you should have a rough idea of a favoured team when everyone is fit, or indeed shape, and we simply dont. Dack and Armstrong are the 2 goalscorers we have, Elliott until recently has been very good but none of the supporting cast are consistent enough to justify building around them, whereas Dack and Armstrong get goals.

My point on Downing was because Mowbray again used his substitutions without any strategy. Something he has been criticised about even prior to his Rovers career has been what he does when his team needs a goal, he just throws attackers on without any plan, purely out of desperation and games tend to fizzle out because we have no structure. Remember when Samuel came on I think v Luton at right wing back?! When he brought Brereton on, who has been shocking since returning from injury, we already had Armstrong, Dack, Elliott and Dolan on. Downing could have slotted in next to Travis, Dack off Armstrong, Dolan left, Elliott right, plenty of goal threat and a semblence of structure. As it was, Dack and Elliott spent most of their time too far away from goal and the game fizzled out.

[chaddyrovers]

11 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

You have constantly downplayed the return of Dack, whether he would never be the same again or indeed repeatedly asking for him to be sold, but lets stop this nonsense about his fitness. He has been fit for a couple of months and made a cameo on boxing day, he made 3 cameos in fact within was it 10 days or so, scoring in the last one. That was on the back of under 23 appearances, and then he went on to play the majority of a game in the cup, albeit in a stupid position. He has since reverted back to cameo appearances, he played for the kids again (a full 90 minutes) last week, he is now in a position whereby he wont get any fitter/sharper without starting League games, and until he does, he wont get back to the player we know. He has to start games in his best position. Armstrong's goals are not as frequent and the supporting cast quite simply do not come up with the goods, of course not aided by our tactical inconsistencies.

If he was match fit and right he would be starting games clearly this isn't the case at the minute. 

We wont know everything about Dack's fitness as Rovers will keep it close shop to speak. 

I always said anything from Dack this season is a bonus for Rovers. It will take him months to get to the old Dack hopefully

[roversfan99]

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

If he was match fit and right he would be starting games clearly this isn't the case at the minute. 

We wont know everything about Dack's fitness as Rovers will keep it close shop to speak. 

I always said anything from Dack this season is a bonus for Rovers. It will take him months to get to the old Dack hopefully

I know that he isnt fully match fit! That is my point, he isnt match fit because he is not being selected for matches in favour of inferior players!

Why do you "hope" that it will take months to get to the old Dack? It should happen sooner if now that he is fully fit, not fully match fit but seemingly fully fit physically, that he is given a run of starts.

[Ewood Ace]

7 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I always said anything from Dack this season is a bonus for Rovers. It will take him months to get to the old Dack hopefully

Do you think we should have loaned him out in January?

[chaddyrovers]

Just now, roversfan99 said:

I know that he isnt fully match fit! That is my point, he isnt match fit because he is not being selected for matches in favour of inferior players!

Why do you "hope" that it will take months to get to the old Dack? It should happen sooner if now that he is fully fit, not fully match fit but seemingly fully fit physically, that he is given a run of starts.

Cos he might never the same player he was before the injury. He might to adapt his game. Hopefully this is not the case but it could be the case. 

Rovers will be managing his game time for months to come following the advice of his surgeon and our medical team. You want to keep rushing him back. 

You just cant expect the old Dack to return a few weeks. 

 

[chaddyrovers]

Just now, Ewood Ace said:

Do you think we should have loaned him out in January?

Nope. 

Let our manager and medical team manage his game time, fitness and training schedule