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Lots of people coming to the same conclusion - We need to get rid of Venky's

As others have said, Blackpool fans got it right - NAPM. They had very well organised fan groups who got good coverage in the media and released regular, well presented statements. They had a very well respected leader in Christine Seddon and everything they did seemed to be supported by 90% of the fanbase.

The whole of Blackpool seemed to be involved - pubs had banners, taxi's had bumper stickers -'Oyston Out' painted on walls. They had some luck in the end with the court case going against Oyston but the fans were a big part of getting the case brought in the first place.

We need to get organised. I thought we were getting somewhere with the meeting at Blakey's when Coyle was appointed but it all fizzled out.

The only weapon we have is non-attendance and a media campaign. Everyone who loves the club needs to be involved. An organised effort may get results - we can have an influence.

Operation Empty Ewood - Reclaim the Rovers.

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1 hour ago, Crimpshrine said:

Lots of people coming to the same conclusion - We need to get rid of Venky's

As others have said, Blackpool fans got it right - NAPM. They had very well organised fan groups who got good coverage in the media and released regular, well presented statements. They had a very well respected leader in Christine Seddon and everything they did seemed to be supported by 90% of the fanbase.

The whole of Blackpool seemed to be involved - pubs had banners, taxi's had bumper stickers -'Oyston Out' painted on walls. They had some luck in the end with the court case going against Oyston but the fans were a big part of getting the case brought in the first place.

We need to get organised. I thought we were getting somewhere with the meeting at Blakey's when Coyle was appointed but it all fizzled out.

The only weapon we have is non-attendance and a media campaign. Everyone who loves the club needs to be involved. An organised effort may get results - we can have an influence.

Operation Empty Ewood - Reclaim the Rovers.

i mean no disrespect to blackpool but we are a much bigger club with a bigger fanbase,hence i don`t think it would work here,in fact i know it would`nt,it`d go back to the kean era,where fans were clashing because they could`nt agree about the best way to protest

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17 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said:

i mean no disrespect to blackpool but we are a much bigger club with a bigger fanbase,hence i don`t think it would work here,in fact i know it would`nt,it`d go back to the kean era,where fans were clashing because they could`nt agree about the best way to protest

Yes, we are a bigger club, but let’s have a look at the attendances next season.

@Crimpshrineis right, in my opinion.

I live in Blackpool and they fought the battle together as a town, not just supporters.

With Rovers supporters there is always an excuse.

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Their targets were within an area to get at to be fair.

Major problem with any war on our lot has been there's nothing to get at. Hitting them in their own back yard has proved nigh on impossible. We've never even had a local board of directors to target.

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23 hours ago, Sparks Rover said:

They've done you mate. Groundhog day is accepted and Mowbray is the main man again.

No no no. Not what I'm saying at all. I've been very clear I'm done with TM and have said so for months. Even if we signed 5 World beaters I'd still want him gone. I'm just saying the squad itself has plenty of time to take shape. Last year it came together late and most were excited to who was signed. It didn't work out as most hoped or expected which comes back to the first point and the trend in this thread, TM is not wanted.

We've not got millions to do the business early especially when lokking at the loan market, they always seem to arrive late as other clubs jigsaws fall into place. 

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23 hours ago, JHRover said:

The only things we can base predictions on right now are what we have and what we think we are likely to have.

Right now, with the players leaving and the strong likelihood that we will flog Armstrong, with Dack out until the end of the year and may not recover, and a poor manager still here after last season's shambles the only logical prediction I can come up with is a long hard season of struggle. 

Everything that has come out of the club (admittedly not a lot) since the end of last season points towards cost cutting and extremely limited funds (if any) to strengthen the squad. Now that might be Mowbray and the club being canny and crafty and leading people to believe funds are tight, but I think more likely is that it is true and we are skint. 

This might change, if they surprise us with some funds or rabbits out of hats in the transfer market. But I think both are unlikely to happen.

My expectation is the only hope they have for funds being made available for new players is by selling some first. And top of that list is Armstrong. I wouldn't trust that to happen. I think expecting reinvestment of substantial funds from Venkys is optimistic - see Rhodes and Gestede. The money is more likely to disappear under the banner of FFP rules and excuses about not having enough time to get replacements in so we get some loans instead.

It's the journey remember. We need TM to conduct a press release to remind us.

I'm joking of course, I know where you are coming from and feel the same dread but there is so much time where it can change. Most are on a downer because of TM, the ownership etc. and now a depleted squad but if we retained Bell, Evans, Holtby, Downing and Bennett, would anyone feel any better?

Armstrong has been rumoured for so long its almost inevitable. I personally think he will remain but if he goes its what was expected and at least there should be some money to spend. 

That leaves the loanees that we knew would return to their parent clubs and rare they return for a 2nd year so it was inevitable it would look like this for a little while.

If it still looks like this at the end of July or worse, I'm in the same place.

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17 minutes ago, Southside Rover said:

, I know where you are coming from and feel the same dread but there is so much time where it can change. Most are on a downer because of TM, the ownership etc. and now a depleted squad but if we retained Bell, Evans, Holtby, Downing and Bennett, would anyone feel any better?

I'm not sure the point you are making.  Surely if you want Mogadon out then you don't want him to be the one making the changes.  He's proved he can't buy a defender and he's losing his attacking threat by the looks of it..AA, JR, and the young lad has gone back to Liverpool.  We rely on loans for key positions in defence.

If he doesn't go the writing is on the wall.

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5 hours ago, Southside Rover said:

 

Armstrong has been rumoured for so long its almost inevitable. I personally think he will remain but if he goes its what was expected and at least there should be some money to spend. 

 

 

This is misplaced optimism. If we lose Armstrong, the money will never appear. We've seen over and over that money is never recycled into the playing squad. Sell Armstrong; lose goalpower; regress from an already weak position. That's the journey we are on.

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1 hour ago, gumboots said:

This is misplaced optimism. If we lose Armstrong, the money will never appear. We've seen over and over that money is never recycled into the playing squad. Sell Armstrong; lose goalpower; regress from an already weak position. That's the journey we are on.

I tend to agree and the perfect excuse is there now with FFP. Assuming we get the £20 million for Armstrong, after Newcastle have had their share, we would have around £12 million in there. Add the £2 million for Raya and that’s a decent amount. I see nothing coming back into the pot for strengthening and replacing Armstrong and the others, who have gone, so think Ambitions for the season, are going to be bleak. 

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If AA's contract is up in 2022, then it makes no sense to lose him for free after the next season. He's hardly going to fire us to promotion to the prem while we have Mowbray in the dugout.

As for where the money will go...who knows? Lack of investment in the squad led us to League One, but then they also allowed TM to blow 12million on BB and Gally. No rhyme nor reason to those lot. 

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14 hours ago, Crimpshrine said:

Lots of people coming to the same conclusion - We need to get rid of Venky's

As others have said, Blackpool fans got it right - NAPM. They had very well organised fan groups who got good coverage in the media and released regular, well presented statements. They had a very well respected leader in Christine Seddon and everything they did seemed to be supported by 90% of the fanbase.

The whole of Blackpool seemed to be involved - pubs had banners, taxi's had bumper stickers -'Oyston Out' painted on walls. They had some luck in the end with the court case going against Oyston but the fans were a big part of getting the case brought in the first place.

We need to get organised. I thought we were getting somewhere with the meeting at Blakey's when Coyle was appointed but it all fizzled out.

The only weapon we have is non-attendance and a media campaign. Everyone who loves the club needs to be involved. An organised effort may get results - we can have an influence.

Operation Empty Ewood - Reclaim the Rovers.

The bit in bold is key. We have a fanbase that will not share a single goal - or even know what that is. There is too much “nobody tells me what to do” and not enough caring about the club.

It could be argued that Blackpool were in a worse state than we are - Venkys are still paying the bills after all - but the outcome has broadly been the same relegation from the PL before settling in the Championship.

As unbelievable as it seems our fall from grace is still ahead of us. When the time comes, will our fans care? Our time came and went and not enough people did. A show of 90% of the fanbase against Kean would have at least sent a message of “don’t mess with us”, instead our message was “yeah, crack on”.

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21 hours ago, Sparks Rover said:

I'm not sure the point you are making.  Surely if you want Mogadon out then you don't want him to be the one making the changes.  He's proved he can't buy a defender and he's losing his attacking threat by the looks of it..AA, JR, and the young lad has gone back to Liverpool.  We rely on loans for key positions in defence.

If he doesn't go the writing is on the wall.

Sorry that it's not clear but nowhere do I say I want TM making the decisions?

Unless you know something I don't he's the Manager and it shows no sign of changing despite all hope.  My point is still that the summer is in its early stages and as we see every year, the squad has time to take shape so the gloom over our current squad as I was responding to originally is premature.

Of course we would all want it to look better and set ready for the 1st day of pre season but has that ever been the case?

As you quoted, let's say we retained those released, sure we would have numbers but would be writing about a lack of quality and why did we sign a b and c who aren't up to the job.

The club has cleared the decks of players most have said aren't up to it. Some remain divided on the quality of 1 or 2 retained but the decks are clear to bring in new players through the summer. Gloom in May is just to early in my opinion. Gloom on TM I fully support...

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15 hours ago, gumboots said:

This is misplaced optimism. If we lose Armstrong, the money will never appear. We've seen over and over that money is never recycled into the playing squad. Sell Armstrong; lose goalpower; regress from an already weak position. That's the journey we are on.

And we've seen investment with no sales so perhaps that hinders my "misplaced optimism"

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As last season showed and the BB signing and the Gallagher signing it's impossible to get optimistic even if we have a good window. 

That's why this early summer is gloomier than even previous ones, we know what's coming when the gaffer gets to work. He's still living off signing AA & Dack and lge 1 promotion years ago.

Lets be honest, yes he's blooded some youngsters but he's done jack all in this division with most of those he's signed. Not sure why it's wrong to expect anything any different this time around.

 

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2 hours ago, Southside Rover said:

And we've seen investment with no sales so perhaps that hinders my "misplaced optimism"

Yes we have seen investment without sales of major players and a fat lot of good that has done us too. Its a long time since I looked at a transfer window with even a modicum of optimism, misplaced or otherwise. Hughes was probably manager, I think.

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23 hours ago, Stuart said:

The bit in bold is key. We have a fanbase that will not share a single goal - or even know what that is. There is too much “nobody tells me what to do” and not enough caring about the club.

It could be argued that Blackpool were in a worse state than we are - Venkys are still paying the bills after all - but the outcome has broadly been the same relegation from the PL before settling in the Championship.

As unbelievable as it seems our fall from grace is still ahead of us. When the time comes, will our fans care? Our time came and went and not enough people did. A show of 90% of the fanbase against Kean would have at least sent a message of “don’t mess with us”, instead our message was “yeah, crack on”.

I can vividly remember the vast majority of the stadium (probably 75%) standing up to “stand up, if you want Venky’s Out”, live on Sky, at home to Wigan just after Alcaraz scored.

It did nothing to the chicken chokers’ opinion & there’s never been a show of unity like it since.

As many have mentioned, they’ll never be effected by any form of protest because they simply don’t give a shit. I have no idea what the solution is, but NAPM even with that level of unity probably wouldn’t make a difference, which is highly painful.

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18 minutes ago, CheshireRover said:

I can vividly remember the vast majority of the stadium (probably 75%) standing up to “stand up, if you want Venky’s Out”, live on Sky, at home to Wigan just after Alcaraz scored.

It did nothing to the chicken chokers’ opinion & there’s never been a show of unity like it since.

As many have mentioned, they’ll never be effected by any form of protest because they simply don’t give a shit. I have no idea what the solution is, but NAPM even with that level of unity probably wouldn’t make a difference, which is highly painful.

I agree with you. NAPM wouldn't affect them really. 

Really you need a way to affect their  business india, that would get there attention but I've no idea how to do that. 

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I always got the impression that lower revenue (NAPM) only impacted the people employed by the club and the playing side of things.

Personally think protesting the current scenario would be a extreme. I’m  frustrated by poor performance last season, but I would say that’s the first full season in the last 4 that I’ve felt like that.

Equally things can change quickly, for better or worse. In terms of the next manager, my choice is still DJ, however my real concern at the club right now is players contracts expiry.

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On 02/06/2021 at 07:16, TheRoversReturn said:

If AA's contract is up in 2022, then it makes no sense to lose him for free after the next season. He's hardly going to fire us to promotion to the prem while we have Mowbray in the dugout.

As for where the money will go...who knows? Lack of investment in the squad led us to League One, but then they also allowed TM to blow 12million on BB and Gally. No rhyme nor reason to those lot. 

Lack of investment in the squad did help us to be relegated to league one ...The person in the dugout had more to do with it  , Kean and Coyle ..

Those two relegations were widely tipped by fans before a ball was kicked in August of the respective years ..

Next season , will run a very similar course if Mowbray is still here ...

 

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3 hours ago, BlackburnEnd75 said:

I agree with you. NAPM wouldn't affect them really. 

Really you need a way to affect their  business india, that would get there attention but I've no idea how to do that. 

Totally agree that NAPM would not affect them financially in any significant way.

However, a totally empty stadium with lots of media coverage ( and maybe protests outside the ground ) would be acutely embarrassing and would reflect badly on them. That is our only weapon.

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Just now, Crimpshrine said:

Totally agree that NAPM would not affect them financially in any significant way.

However, a totally empty stadium with lots of media coverage ( and maybe protests outside the ground ) would be acutely embarrassing and would reflect badly on them. That is our only weapon.

Definitely, it's just sad that a lot of our supporters mainly the FB bunch think Mowbray is the Messiah and Venkys are the best owners.

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4 hours ago, BlackburnEnd75 said:

I agree with you. NAPM wouldn't affect them really. 

Really you need a way to affect their  business india, that would get there attention but I've no idea how to do that. 

Quite. I think any concerted action would have to include giving them "a war at home"-lots of negative publicity in India....

The first goal has to be a strategy to engage the majority of supporters in clear aims for any action...And we all know that won't be easy here.

Meanwhile, I am still holding back until we hear something back from Darren Rover and his associates. After 10 years of purgatory, I am prepared to wait a little longer.

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We seem to go round in circles with this. Need to step away from our brfcs echo chamber.

We won’t get a protest a la Blackpool under the Oystons, because a lot of the remaining engaged fanbase don’t have an issue with the ownership and not much of one with TM either.

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21 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

We seem to go round in circles with this. Need to step away from our brfcs echo chamber.

We won’t get a protest a la Blackpool under the Oystons, because a lot of the remaining engaged fanbase don’t have an issue with the ownership and not much of one with TM either.

We won't if we don't try!

Even if it is small numbers involved to start with, momentum will build.

What's the saying? - "Educate, Agitate and Organise"

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