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v Rotherham United (h) 08/10/2022


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This win-loss-win-loss-win-loss has to come to an end eventually whereby we get two same results on the spin. Unfortunately, the way we're playing, i think it is two L's that will break the trend. Rotherham with a manager bounce and some rugged players in the middle will have whats needed to do our lot. 

Playing it out from the back - where has this come from and why are we still trying it. We took the mickey out of that Swansea manager doing it but now we seem to think its the way to go as well. He needs to integrate Dack in the team too. With BBD off colour we dont have many others we can rely on for goals. Plus, he brings a lot of creativity, something we sorely lack at the moment.  

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The new Rotherham manager will have watched the game last night and will  immediately know how to set up against us. Tomasson simply has to come up with an alternative way to play against this type of team.

The question is can he.

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2 hours ago, arbitro said:

The new Rotherham manager will have watched the game last night and will  immediately know how to set up against us. Tomasson simply has to come up with an alternative way to play against this type of team.

The question is can he.

Tbh I think if the Rotherham manager looks back over the last few games he will have a tough job guessing how we will setup.

I know Im not a football manager, and there's probably loads more to it than I think, but to sort us out seems pretty simple...

-We should play three at the back so if we are trying to pass it around we have options, and so the wing backs can push right up, and so we are defensively solid.

-We should stop passing the ball around our six yard box. It's incredibly dangerous and creates absolutely nothing for us.

-We should play three in midfield so we don't get outmatched in the middle, can retain the ball, and can pick up positions in the number 10 role to slide it though to the fowrads.

-We should play two up front as we don't get the ball enough into three anyway and need more bodies in midfield and defence. Two feeding off through balls from midfield and crosses from wing backs is enough.

It seems pretty obvious to me and thought that was where we were headed until the team came out last night.

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            Kaminski

Brittain Hyam Wharton Pickering

      Dack Morton Wharton

Gallagher Hirst Brereton

 

Absolutely no chance of this but it's how I would line up. I think this team would find a way to win.

 

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8 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

My Rovers team 

                 Kaminski

Brittain Hyam S.Wharton Pickering

            Travis Morton

Hedges    Szmodics    BBD

                  Hirst

 

Just posted my team Chaddy. We have 8 of the same players but a different formation. Travis, Szmodics and Hedges lose out to Adam Wharton, Dack and Gallagher in my team.

for me Dack is many times the player Szmodics is, and Gallagher offers more, all things considered than Hedges. 

Regarding Travis, I thought he was dreadful last night, slow in possession and something of a liability. Vastly overrated in my opinion.

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6 minutes ago, Colt Seavers said:

 

Regarding Travis, I thought he was dreadful last night, slow in possession and something of a liability. Vastly overrated in my opinion.

Absolutely, never rated him...not a good central midfielder and a crap captain.....

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Ayala was the problem last night - he thinks he's Franz Beckenbauer. I'd drop him and play 2 no-nonsense centre halves - Hyam and Wharton - with Brittain and Pickering (who had a good game at Cardiff) as full backs. Instruct them and Kaminski (ban him from ever throwing the ball out) to get the ball downfield quicker. Keep it simple and let's start playing in the opposition's half instead of ours. 

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17 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

Ayala was the problem last night - he thinks he's Franz Beckenbauer. I'd drop him and play 2 no-nonsense centre halves - Hyam and Wharton - with Brittain and Pickering (who had a good game at Cardiff) as full backs. Instruct them and Kaminski (ban him from ever throwing the ball out) to get the ball downfield quicker. Keep it simple and let's start playing in the opposition's half instead of ours. 

Tomasson clearly wants them to play like that so worryingly, stuff like that will likely continue regardless of who plays.

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29 minutes ago, Colt Seavers said:

Just posted my team Chaddy. We have 8 of the same players but a different formation. Travis, Szmodics and Hedges lose out to Adam Wharton, Dack and Gallagher in my team.

for me Dack is many times the player Szmodics is, and Gallagher offers more, all things considered than Hedges. 

Regarding Travis, I thought he was dreadful last night, slow in possession and something of a liability. Vastly overrated in my opinion.

For me, Hedges has been our best attacking player despite last night off night he should be starting. 

I want to see more of Szmodics and I thought he had decent game last night. 

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20 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

Ayala was the problem last night - he thinks he's Franz Beckenbauer. I'd drop him and play 2 no-nonsense centre halves - Hyam and Wharton - with Brittain and Pickering (who had a good game at Cardiff) as full backs. Instruct them and Kaminski (ban him from ever throwing the ball out) to get the ball downfield quicker. Keep it simple and let's start playing in the opposition's half instead of ours. 

I agree about playing in our opponents half.

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We hit on a system last season that suited travis and one or two others but it was built on not dallying on the ball at the back and having an outlet with an inform BBD or sometimes Khadra.

No sign of that now and this possession at the back game doesn't suit players like Trav.  It didn't a couple of seasons ago so no surprise it doesn't now it did however suit the Evans's and Trybull's better.  We only only moved away from it because they left but now we've gone back but don't have the personnel. 

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For me the same problem remains which is the midfield area just the midfield is not on form. I think it is a frustrating period but I am willing to give JDT the benefit of the doubt that the team needs to learn to buy into his tactics and strategy. The problem is too many key players are not on form being Smozdic, Buckley, Travis, which is the main issue. Pickering has surprisingly improved a little so good times. 

Agreed Dack is better than Smozdic, and he does need game time. I don't think Smozdic is the worst player in the world he had a good end of season last year so he needs to find his feet as well. Hirst the jury is still out but last night would not have helped him. He must be scrapping at the bottom of the barrel to find something of his old self. 

Personally, the team still has teething issues and this passing system and keeping the ball will keep causing issues until the team truly understands it. 

VS Rotherham i would line up...

-----------------------------Kaminski--------------------------

Brittain------Hyam---Ayala-------Wharton-----Pickering

----------Morton-----------Travis------------------------

------------------Dack-------------------------------------

Hedges----------------------Diaz-------------------------

 

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1 hour ago, tomphil said:

We hit on a system last season that suited travis and one or two others but it was built on not dallying on the ball at the back and having an outlet with an inform BBD or sometimes Khadra.

No sign of that now and this possession at the back game doesn't suit players like Trav.  It didn't a couple of seasons ago so no surprise it doesn't now it did however suit the Evans's and Trybull's better.  We only only moved away from it because they left but now we've gone back but don't have the personnel. 

Travis for me is becoming a bit of an issue. He seems less mobile than in previous seasons and whilst his footballing ability itself has always been average, he appears to be regressing. He’s unable to run with it and even the ‘simple’ balls are far from simple for him. He has his strengths but in a JDT system he is falling short - big time IMO.

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2 hours ago, Colt Seavers said:

Just posted my team Chaddy. We have 8 of the same players but a different formation. Travis, Szmodics and Hedges lose out to Adam Wharton, Dack and Gallagher in my team.

for me Dack is many times the player Szmodics is, and Gallagher offers more, all things considered than Hedges. 

Regarding Travis, I thought he was dreadful last night, slow in possession and something of a liability. Vastly overrated in my opinion.

I must say I’ve never really had those thoughts about Travis myself, but last night he had an absolute shocker. Probably our worst player on the pitch. Hopefully it was just a one off, when he’s on it I still think he’s our best central midfielder. Not that there’s much competition in there, Buckley has gone off the boil and Morton is alright. 

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53 minutes ago, Gavlar Somerset Rover! said:

Travis for me is becoming a bit of an issue. He seems less mobile than in previous seasons and whilst his footballing ability itself has always been average, he appears to be regressing. He’s unable to run with it and even the ‘simple’ balls are far from simple for him. He has his strengths but in a JDT system he is falling short - big time IMO.

Everyone whose played in midfield has been rubbish because we are asking two of our mids to compete with three or four oppo mids so we can push all our other attacking players up against the opposition's back line. Its daft.

I'd hesitate to judge any of our players in the current situation.

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