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Season Tickets (inc. Renewal Poll)


ST Poll  

171 members have voted

  1. 1. Will you buy a season ticket for 2021/22?

    • Yes - no matter what
      48
    • Yes - depending on personal circumstances
      7
    • No - but I would if Mowbray left
      64
    • No - but for other reasons
      52


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On 25/07/2021 at 19:34, Stuart said:

That’s a real strawman. (Also, I can’t believe your previous post - it’s “only” a QR code - you really need to read up on your history).

Don’t introduce passports at all. Which fans are going to refuse to attend if they aren’t? You are advocating relegating unvaccinated people to second class citizens and you seem to just see them as an expendable minority.

Children won’t have them. Why does an 18yo need a jab (and evidence of such) and their 17yo mate doesn’t? Is the latter less of a risk?

Your arguments are built on sand considering even with a jab and a passport you can still carry and pass on the virus.

If I don’t have a vaccine it doesn’t make any difference to you - as long as you’ve had yours.

I really worry about the direction of the world under Gen Z.

What does generation have to do with this debate? 😄 The people making these decisions aren’t “Gen Z” - not that it makes a difference 

I don’t think the vaccine passports will happen. It seems too intrusive. 
 

 

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On 25/07/2021 at 20:20, rigger said:

If that stopped deaths would that be a bad thing

You can’t stop death, it is a natural part of life, and as the world evolves, causes of death are changing. 

In no way am I saying that drink driving is acceptable, it’s abhorrent, especially when alcohol free lager and gin exist and taste the same, however your point just leads to more open ended options.
 

We can stop deaths from many different things by locking ourselves away for eternity, but what’s the point? I’d rather a shorter life lived, than live until the age of 100 and be bored senseless for the next 75 years. I’m not sure too many would argue against that.

Many scientists & politicians have God complexes, which has resulted in them all wanting to be the ones who change the course of humanity for longer lives, but they completely disregard all other factors involved in living a life, and focus purely on your body having oxygen and blood coursing through your veins.

Sorry for the rant, and not a dig at you, just been building up a while clearly!

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On 25/07/2021 at 21:04, Wheelton Blue said:

Getting the vaccine not only reduces the chances of you getting infected, it also reduces the likelihood of you infecting someone else.

I call that personal responsibility.

These liberal 'I'll do what I want types' can go ahead and do what they want, we live in a democratic society after all. But don't come anywhere near me or my at-risk family, thanks all the same.

Sources please, including the percentage reductions.

Also, you are right, we do live in a democratic society, where people have rights. These are being taken away so as to enforce the governments will onto the people they serve. A will that seems to change every five minutes. Vaccine passports were discussed in March in parliament, and all of the reasons against them remain valid.

Meanwhile, the long term effects of the vaccine are unknown. Everyone who has it is taking a personal risk. The younger you are, the greater that risk is. For these young people the risks may even be greater than the virus itself. We don’t know. This vaccine won’t be fully FDA approved for at least 6 months while data is gathered to ensure safety. Until then how can this be mandated? Blackmailing young people on this basis, and telling them they can’t have a social life, and even higher education, is immoral. Let’s have the safety confirmed and then it’s a different discussion.

This is a very emotive topic but we need to remain objective and be really clear about what is being asked of people and why. Right now the perceived benefits are not factual but based on a climate of fear and a government without an exit strategy who are backed into a corner, and are extorting young people into taking risks which could affect them later in life.

Lest we forget, Thalidomide was once believed to be completely safe…

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On 26/07/2021 at 12:43, Hannoverover said:

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2107717

 

Uk based study showing that even after 1 shot of either Oxford-AZ or BioNTech-Pfizer, transmission was reduced by 40-50%. It'll be even higher after the 2nd shot.

Interesting. Needs further research though.

However, what I did find interesting was this article. Just the opening paragraph of point 1 is sufficient.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejm199711133372006

We are heading for a dark place. Threatening students not to be able to get an education if they don’t comply. If that isn’t duress or coercion, I’m not sure what is.

This is the largest medical research programme in history and people are not being allowed to opt out, lest they are punished.

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On 26/07/2021 at 12:15, Stuart said:

Sources please, including the percentage reductions.

Also, you are right, we do live in a democratic society, where people have rights. These are being taken away so as to enforce the governments will onto the people they serve. A will that seems to change every five minutes. Vaccine passports were discussed in March in parliament, and all of the reasons against them remain valid.

Meanwhile, the long term effects of the vaccine are unknown. Everyone who has it is taking a personal risk. The younger you are, the greater that risk is. For these young people the risks may even be greater than the virus itself. We don’t know. This vaccine won’t be fully FDA approved for at least 6 months while data is gathered to ensure safety. Until then how can this be mandated? Blackmailing young people on this basis, and telling them they can’t have a social life, and even higher education, is immoral. Let’s have the safety confirmed and then it’s a different discussion.

This is a very emotive topic but we need to remain objective and be really clear about what is being asked of people and why. Right now the perceived benefits are not factual but based on a climate of fear and a government without an exit strategy who are backed into a corner, and are extorting young people into taking risks which could affect them later in life.

Lest we forget, Thalidomide was once believed to be completely safe…

That doesn't make every scientific breakthrough wrong.

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I see Wigan have announced sales of 6000 season tickets.

I wonder if that will beat our efforts this summer, despite everything and everyone telling me that without Venkys we'd be in a state like them.

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