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If they want to bring somebody in then they had better do it sharpish. A lot easier to convince someone to invest when you're only one division apart from the PL, rather than two divisions apart - and if TM stays it's highly likely imo that this time next year we will be two divisions apart again. 

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Honestly I'm at a point where I just can't get excited about new signings as long as Mowbray is in charge. Even if the signee appears impressive I already know his impact will be neutered by Mowbray's

Hi all. Would like to thank anyone and everyone who has given my work a read over the last few days. As you can probably tell it took a very long time to do and a lot of late nights around my full tim

Fast forwards 12 months.... 'We lost the quality of Holtby and the goals of Armstrong last summer along with the regular right back and the experience of Johnson.  It's a sad day for the club but

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According to Wikipedia Evans has started 184 league games since he signed in 2013. In the same period he has played 41 games for Northern Ireland. Roughly for every 4.5 games he played for us he has played a game for Northern Ireland.

I know Wikipedia is always the most accurate but I'm sure we all understand the theme here.

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Wasn't there a rumour a year or so ago that they were looking to get a new investor on board? I'm sure I read something along those lines. I really hope there is something in it. They currently don't seem to realise or care that they are not too far away from a Premier League windfall were they to have promotion as a serious aim. A new investor might be able to get that through to them.

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5 minutes ago, SuperBrfc said:

Wasn't there a rumour a year or so ago that they were looking to get a new investor on board? I'm sure I read something along those lines. I really hope there is something in it. They currently don't seem to realise or care that they are not too far away from a Premier League windfall were they to have promotion as a serious aim. A new investor might be able to get that through to them.

I'd assume that no new investor could possibly be as thick as what we've got. But you never know I suppose!

 

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4 minutes ago, SuperBrfc said:

Wasn't there a rumour a year or so ago that they were looking to get a new investor on board? I'm sure I read something along those lines. I really hope there is something in it. They currently don't seem to realise or care that they are not too far away from a Premier League windfall were they to have promotion as a serious aim. A new investor might be able to get that through to them.

Any investor seriously thinking of any return on their money would be expecting PL football for an appreciable amount of time.

It isn't going to happen, even a one season term in PL would not create a windfall, sadly.

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2 hours ago, phili said:

I am not sure JRC or Chapman will be here either. There has been a pause put on all expenditure and commitiing to any new contracts by Venky's

The rumours presently in India are that Venky's are in discussions with a fellow IPL owning billionaire to come in as an investor into Rovers. If these rumours are true, Venky's won't be making any financial decisions concerning Us.

 

That’s note right. Anyone wanting investment would have to be seen to be committing to the project and therefore I can’t agree this scenario is going to be accurate

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3 hours ago, phili said:

I am not sure JRC or Chapman will be here either. There has been a pause put on all expenditure and commitiing to any new contracts by Venky's

The rumours presently in India are that Venky's are in discussions with a fellow IPL owning billionaire to come in as an investor into Rovers. If these rumours are true, Venky's won't be making any financial decisions concerning Us.

 

As in, another shareholder to work alongside them and shoulder a share of the 20 million annual losses, or someone to take over the club entirely?

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3 hours ago, phili said:

I am not sure JRC or Chapman will be here either. There has been a pause put on all expenditure and commitiing to any new contracts by Venky's

The rumours presently in India are that Venky's are in discussions with a fellow IPL owning billionaire to come in as an investor into Rovers. If these rumours are true, Venky's won't be making any financial decisions concerning Us.

 

Have we not got One year extension clauses to their contracts ?

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Good decision to let Evans go. He's not contributed anything for a long time. The only one I'd potentially keep as a back up is Johnson, all the others can go. The likes of Bennett, Downing, Trybull offered nothing last season, so although it makes the squad look a little thin, we're not impacting the quality of the squad.

Elliott going does impact the quality of the squad and when Armstrong inevitably leaves, that's another big hole to fill. He deserves a crack at the prem though. 

On reflection, the transfer dealings last summer were a bit of a disaster despite looking like a good window at the time. 

The one transfer I want to see is in the dugout. 

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1 hour ago, blondie said:

Any investor seriously thinking of any return on their money would be expecting PL football for an appreciable amount of time.

It isn't going to happen, even a one season term in PL would not create a windfall, sadly.

Just thinking this.

If you invest in something, you want a return. The ONLY way anyone would get any return on us is via promotion. 

If Venkys actually find someone stupid enough to hand over millions of pounds for Venkys to make decisions with it, then fair play to them.

After watching the car crash over the last 11 years, surely anyone investing any money would want some serious say in where the moneys going? I.e, not to another HSH reject.

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4 hours ago, phili said:

I am not sure JRC or Chapman will be here either. There has been a pause put on all expenditure and commitiing to any new contracts by Venky's

The rumours presently in India are that Venky's are in discussions with a fellow IPL owning billionaire to come in as an investor into Rovers. If these rumours are true, Venky's won't be making any financial decisions concerning Us.

 

Same bull this time last year i seem to recall.  Desperate rumors to get a bit of interest going again.

They've repeatedly said they'll not sell to anyone and have ignored other interested parties without even a response. They won't even take proper sponsorship on board, i think the main reason for all that is just so they can do whatever they want in regards to the club. If that means ignoring it for 6/12 at a time then so be it.

That wouldn't be easy with another investor on board and neither would opening the books to someone else.

More chance of TM & fatman being sacked on Monday than that happening. And that's about 50-1 against.

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So knowing nothing about the IPL, had a look at who the owners of the teams are.

This bloke owns one the teams closest to V's homebase. (Mumbai Indians)

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This bloke the other (Sunrisers Hyderabad)

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i think the taps are off as they plan to remove TM don't see them selling or opening the ownership up

I suspect Mowbray would have wanted both Evans' and Holtby's contracts renewing. On that basis alone, you could be right.

But I also feel as though Mowbray has "reset" himself after his largely petulant comments in months gone by. All his talk is about next season and the summer, and the tone comes across to me that the decision has already been made that he's staying.

Then again, we're not a normal club, are we? I'm probably wrong as usual!

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7 minutes ago, perthblue02 said:

So knowing nothing about the IPL, had a look at who the owners of the teams are.

This bloke owns one the teams closest to V's homebase. (Mumbai Indians)

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This bloke the other (Sunrisers Hyderabad)

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I had a look too & concluded that Kolkata & Rajasthan’s owners seemed most likely to be interested due to their other ventures. I realise it doesn’t always work that way, but Lachlan Murdoch (son of Rupert) part-owning Rajasthan seems a more likely investor in an English football team to me than say Chennai’s owner who’s background is concrete.

I am sure it’s all hypothetical and nothing comes from it, but it’s a least a glimmer of hope…

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5 minutes ago, PeteJD13 said:

i think the taps are off as they plan to remove TM don't see them selling or opening the ownership up

All pure speculation of course, but would be a good way for them to save face and even boost their own profile , a joint venture with the owner of a IPL team, with the (investor) eventually becoming the majority owner.

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Investors want returns. The very saying of it in football makes me nervous.

I'm not too clued up on how we are £200m in debt. All to Venkys London Ltd., or...? Anyway, on the face of it, I would be extremely nervous about the situation if Venkys are still majority shareholders and start using money lent by others. It certainly won't be spent wisely as things currently stand, and that sort of debt won't just disappear nor be written off.

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8 minutes ago, Meesh said:

I suspect Mowbray would have wanted both Evans' and Holtby's contracts renewing. On that basis alone, you could be right.

But I also feel as though Mowbray has "reset" himself after his largely petulant comments in months gone by. All his talk is about next season and the summer, and the tone comes across to me that the decision has already been made that he's staying.

Then again, we're not a normal club, are we? I'm probably wrong as usual!

Agree, the petulance really set the tone of a man who felt under pressure. That has totally gone and he is calmly talking about the future.

On top of that, the LT sneaked a comment into an article a couple of weeks or so ago that seems to have gone largely unnoticed. It basically said they understand the club will stick with TM this summer.

So all this talk of Tony going after the game tomorrow is going to result in a lot of disappointment for a lot of people I see talking like it's a possibility.

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1 minute ago, Meesh said:

Investors want returns. The very saying of it in football makes me nervous.

I'm not too clued up on how we are £200m in debt. All to Venkys London Ltd., or...? Anyway, on the face of it, I would be extremely nervous about the situation if Venkys are still majority shareholders and start using money lent by others. It certainly won't be spent wisely as things currently stand, and that sort of debt won't just disappear nor be written off.

Most of it is to Venkys themselves yes. I think at this point probably something like 170-180 million of it at a guess going off my memory of past figures.

I agree, I'm probably more concerned than ever if they start borrowing from third parties but putting those debts against us. That's how administration happens.

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9 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

Agree, the petulance really set the tone of a man who felt under pressure. That has totally gone and he is calmly talking about the future.

On top of that, the LT sneaked a comment into an article a couple of weeks or so ago that seems to have gone largely unnoticed. It basically said they understand the club will stick with TM this summer.

So all this talk of Tony going after the game tomorrow is going to result in a lot of disappointment for a lot of people I see talking like it's a possibility.

The only pressure was when the local journos starting relaying to him what fans were saying. It dawned on him he'd be rumbled as the bog average low budget manager he is and he didn't like it one bit.

I think that's all it was and nothing from the inside at all other than worrying the owners would take notice of the local rags.  That was all swiftly nipped in the bud by the looks of it.

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28 minutes ago, CheshireRover said:

I had a look too & concluded that Kolkata & Rajasthan’s owners seemed most likely to be interested due to their other ventures. I realise it doesn’t always work that way, but Lachlan Murdoch (son of Rupert) part-owning Rajasthan seems a more likely investor in an English football team to me than say Chennai’s owner who’s background is concrete.

I am sure it’s all hypothetical and nothing comes from it, but it’s a least a glimmer of hope…

Mukesh Ambani owner of Mumbai Indians is also heavily involved in the India Super League (football)   Link ,so with that and proximity to  the V's of the Cricket team , my guess on the pure speculation lies here.

 

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1 minute ago, perthblue02 said:

Mukesh Ambani owner of Mumbai Indians is also heavily involved in the India Super League (football)   Link ,so with that and proximity to  the V's of the Cricket team , my guess on the pure speculation lies here.

 

He'd do for me. Personal fortune of over $70 billion

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29 minutes ago, tomphil said:

The only pressure was when the local journos starting relaying to him what fans were saying. It dawned on him he'd be rumbled as the bog average low budget manager he is and he didn't like it one bit.

I think that's all it was and nothing from the inside at all other than worrying the owners would take notice of the local rags.  That was all swiftly nipped in the bud by the looks of it.

Those questions sparked the petulant answers, but if all was well I don't think those answers would have been anywhere near that petulant. He has noticeably returned to being calm and unconcerned.

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Evans going is brilliant news. Excluding the injuries - which have been a ridiculous amount - and the piss take of being fit for internationals, he isn't very good. In fact he only looked good in league 1 which is about his level. Poor player. 

Tin hat on time but I would have rather kept Smallwood than Evans. Not saying Smallwood was great but at least he can tackle. Evans looks very busy but actually isn't particularly good at any part of the game. 

Holtby - disappointing but the right call. Heck of a talent but too inconsistent and injury prone. As an individual case he's worth letting go, but questions need to be asked why very few gambles come off for Rovers, especially when there is talent there. 

I'd prefer us to keep JRC and Nayambe and think we have extensions to protect us for another year. As for the rest none are a great loss and certainly aren't value for money. 

It does have shades of Bowyer's last year all over it however which is a tad ominous. 

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5 hours ago, JHRover said:

So naive aren't they?

100%. I know every club must have them, but we seem to have a really high proportion of fans who can’t see the wood for the trees. Be it with Tony, be it with Venkys. Time has taught them absolutely nothing. It’s quite infuriating. 

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