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56 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

Also, well done the manager. Set the team up well (apart from playing our best footballer, Buckley out of position)…made the correct decision on subs and positively effected the game. Credit where it’s due.

You spelt Joe Rothwell wrong. 

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2 hours ago, Sparks Rover said:

Gallagher obviously.  Useless with the touch of an elephant.

I'd have thought so as well. When Brereton is on song at least he can turn and run at you with the ball and be a real threat.

Gallagher just plays in front of you, has no real pace, guile, trickery or technique and is weak as a kitten for his size.

Must be meat and drink for any centre half.

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3 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

 

Buckley and Clarkson are both pointless players that dont do really anything and should both be dropped. Rothwell was really poor in the first half and came to life in the second, hes being played too deep, and Travis was ok. Dolan was as poor tonight as he was good on Saturday. The 2 subs were excellent, I like the look of Khadra although he doesnt like running back too much. The back 4 were very good especially the middle 2, good to get that clean sheet at last.

Buckley played out of position in a role that not suited to him. Don't know what of Clarkson so far or the role he Will play here. 

Thought Dolan had a good game, 2 good 1st half shots. Use his tricky. 

Bringing on Butterworth and Khadra changeb the game 

3 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

Yes, there were a few boos, often is at grounds when a team puts in a poor half, but that isn’t translating to any particular issue with TM.

I’d be surprised if anybody on here that has been a regular at Ewood this season is sensing a crowd on the verge of turning.

I've been all home league games this season and not sense ill feeling towards Mowbray or the players at home. 

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5 hours ago, joey_big_nose said:

If we're playing 4231 in central midfield we need two from Travis, Rothwell, Buckley, Clarkson, Davenport, Johnson (out injured). Butterworth is going to play across the attacking line so I don't really see him and Buckley competing for the same role.

I would rotate Travis, Rothwell and Buckley as the starters in CM personally. 

In the front four I would rotate Diaz, Butterworth, Dolan, Khedra, Poveda.

💯…you got it! Weird that people are comparing Buckley and Butterworth when they’re clearly very different players.

I would add Gally and Dack into that front four mix meaning we have 7 for 4 positions. 

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7 hours ago, jim mk2 said:

Brereton did not play well

He gave the ball away more often than not, passed to an opposition player most of the time, got knocked off the ball too easily, still can't play with his back to goal and his first touch is awful

Good goal but it came in a sea of mediocrity

4/10

 

Yes exactly. Bar the goal, it was almost like he's trying to play like Gally. Poor touch, constantly losing the ball in dangerous positions.

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Brereton was isolated all first half. People forget how many times the same happened with Armstrong last season, but as with Armstrong he still managed a goal. Loomed better when he had some half decent support second half. Never gonna have the strength o  the ball or hold up play of Lukaku I'm afraid but use him correctly and he'll score goals as well as lay on many assists.

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10 hours ago, islander200 said:

Not one redeeming feature,he can pick a pass as good as anyone in our squad.

I will readily agree he needs to start doing more in games but he is a young lad trying to stake his claim his spot and he does have some talent.Last Saturday he was decent enough.Tonight steady in possession and won a few tackles but didn't do enough to get himself into the game and obviously the changes were correct.

Butterworth looked fantastic 

 

 

Jesus I give up. Steady in possession and won a few tackles? He was anonymous, like very bad. Forgive me for thinking we don't have time for allowing him to learn on the job at the expense of the team. How many chances are we going to give him only for him to fail to produce time and time again?

Appears my comments before the game were spot on, you took exception to them, ask yourself why I was right? Because it's the norm and predictable, hooked after 53 minutes after a nothing display yet again. Seem most of this board have realised he isn't up to it at present. Don't just blindly back him to save face man.

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17 minutes ago, Tom said:

Just read on Twitter that it’s our lowest Ewood attendance in the league in just over 30 years!

It’s so sad. It has been on the cards for a while.

The combination of covid, apathy after last season, an underwhelming transfer window and a pricing structure that is out of touch with the local financial climate has all led to this.

Not sure what it’ll take to bring attendances back to pre-covid levels but there needs to be a radical re-think. Ticket pricing in particular has to be looked at after last night. 

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I know that people wont agree with me on this but i think BBD is falling foul (pardon the pun)  with the new rules of refs trying to let play go more.

there were several times that he got the ball with back to goal and felt the touch and went down trying to buy the foul that players like Rhodes used to praised for "buying the foul" and getting us up the pitch,

however this season these type of foul arent being given

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9 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

You did see Gallagher on Saturday then?

I thought BB was very poor tonight his goal apart but he was still nowhere near as bad as Gallagher imo.

The issue with BBD is that he was isolated for the whole of the first half because the team was set up incorrectly and hadnt a clue on going forward - Dolan aside, no one supported him, too many big gaps between the midfield and forward and not enough support. Rothwell kept standing still and when he did move with the ball he created space however this was far too sporadic and a turgid 45 minutes.

Second half, with the introduction of Butterworth and Khadra saw support, width and speed through the middle which we had lacked. Efforts on goal arrived and this also rejuvenated Rothwell.

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1 hour ago, yellowsubmarine said:

Yes exactly. Bar the goal, it was almost like he's trying to play like Gally. Poor touch, constantly losing the ball in dangerous positions.

Lets be fair to him - he was a loan ranger feeding off scraps in the first half. He was often surrounded by 3 or 4 Hull defenders with no help in sight. Flip forward to the second half subs - when he got a bit more assistance - and he looked a lot better. IMO most forwards would have struggled in our first half formation - as he was often left isolated.

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18 minutes ago, magicalmortensleftpeg said:

It’s so sad. It has been on the cards for a while.

The combination of covid, apathy after last season, an underwhelming transfer window and a pricing structure that is out of touch with the local financial climate has all led to this.

Not sure what it’ll take to bring attendances back to pre-covid levels but there needs to be a radical re-think. Ticket pricing in particular has to be looked at after last night. 

..I agree ….it’s very sad. However, Covid doesn’t seem to be impacting other grounds , in fact they have  greater gates than ever….our gates , in my opinion, are as they are, and will remain as they are whilst Mowbray and his band of weary brothers remain in post. 

I will return to Ewood , every game, as soon as we have a leadership I can believe in and respect.

The VERY life of our club and our community is being squeezed…how much life will be left before “ the powers that be “ will realise we have had enough.

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, Roverinbelfast said:

And there you have it. The good the bad and the ugly supporting rovers. Diabolical in the first half playing against a really poor team. 

For all the (well deserved) abuse he gets credit to TM in the second half. His subs changed the game. Butterworth and khedra changed the game. 

Total opposite from Saturday, imagine had we bagged the 3 points then. We would be sitting 3rd in the table. 

 

Thats the other side to Mowbray though. Unable to achieve the consistency or ruthlessness required to keep on winning and really push in up the league.

How many times have we been in this sort of position? Have a reasonable run of form, get within a win of being in the top 6, then blow it. 

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1 minute ago, JHRover said:

Thats the other side to Mowbray though. Unable to achieve the consistency or ruthlessness required to keep on winning and really push in up the league.

How many times have we been in this sort of position? Have a reasonable run of form, get within a win of being in the top 6, then blow it. 

Maybe scarred by last seasons collapse - but I still see last nights 3 points as being important as it was against a potential relegation rival - rather than getting us into the play offs.

Other than WBA we have played either average teams, or ones out of form. Having said that confidence is a great thing - and this season we seem to be playing a lot more pragmatically than last season (when trying and failing to play a possession game).

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He isn't scarred by anything it's just the way he works and always has we've been seeing the same pattern for nearly 5 years now.

Prefers to play it safe first 45 then maybe pinch something but most of the time his eggs are in the 60-65 min subs basket.

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1 hour ago, magicalmortensleftpeg said:

It’s so sad. It has been on the cards for a while.

The combination of covid, apathy after last season, an underwhelming transfer window and a pricing structure that is out of touch with the local financial climate has all led to this.

Not sure what it’ll take to bring attendances back to pre-covid levels but there needs to be a radical re-think. Ticket pricing in particular has to be looked at after last night. 

Don’t forget it was also live on SKY TV.
 

Having said that you don’t have to look any further than the manager for the main reason why people are staying away. He’s over stayed his welcome by at least a couple of seasons.

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1 hour ago, BigBar said:

Jesus I give up. Steady in possession and won a few tackles? He was anonymous, like very bad. Forgive me for thinking we don't have time for allowing him to learn on the job at the expense of the team. How many chances are we going to give him only for him to fail to produce time and time again?

Appears my comments before the game were spot on, you took exception to them, ask yourself why I was right? Because it's the norm and predictable, hooked after 53 minutes after a nothing display yet again. Seem most of this board have realised he isn't up to it at present. Don't just blindly back him to save face man.

He didn't play well last night but not many did until the changes were made.

The previous game v Luton he was one of our better players.

The same things were being said about Brererton and he is growing as a player.Armstrong also had his critics on here and look how that turned out.

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9 hours ago, Paul Mani said:

Also, well done the manager. Set the team up well (apart from playing our best footballer, Buckley out of position)…made the correct decision on subs and positively effected the game. Credit where it’s due.

Mowbray did exactly the opposite to what you claim.

The unbalanced outfit he started with were dominated by a poor Hull side.

This forced Mowbrays hand to make earlier than usual subs which, fortunate for us, worked .... this time.

The youthful exuberance and skill of Khadra and Butterworth livened us up and we scored 2 goals.

Mowbray got lucky.

If Hull could score they would have won that game.

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I am not anti Buckley but he was awful last night and Clarkson invisible.

Lenihan MoM in a game he should have been banned from - surely that cannot be true. Ayala, Pickering and Nyambe all had better games in defence nevermind going forward.

Given to make him feel good after his horror foul in the Luton game. Not right.

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1 hour ago, magicalmortensleftpeg said:

It’s so sad. It has been on the cards for a while.

The combination of covid, apathy after last season, an underwhelming transfer window and a pricing structure that is out of touch with the local financial climate has all led to this.

Not sure what it’ll take to bring attendances back to pre-covid levels but there needs to be a radical re-think. Ticket pricing in particular has to be looked at after last night. 

I think Covid is the ideal screen to use as one of the excuses for our low attendances and season tickets but that is bucking the trend of pretty much the majority of football clubs, many of which have actually increased ticket sales. I personally don't know anybody who isn't going because of the pandemic. I agree with the other reasons you give though.

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