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I’m sorry Paul, but it really has bewildered me that running Blackburn Rovers sensibly has been made to look as arduous as sewing in sparring mitts, but that is how it has been presented throughout th

I certainly don't claim to be 'ITK' at all but shortly after the final whistle yesterday I received a text from someone extremely close to the club - not the playing or coaching side - who doesn't nor

The trouble is, this is a well-trodden route in the Copybook of Tony Mowbray. A week back, prior to Cardiff and following the utterly woeful and woebegone showings against Wigan and Barnsley, we neede

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9 minutes ago, Southside Rover said:

I'm a newish member still on here but has an AFC type club been spoken about before or worth a thread. A local team to me did it years ago having been scammed by the owners, they aren't at that level and perhaps never will be but at least the fans have a vote in the club as members, run by people that love and have passion for the club and at whatever level it's good honest football that we all grew to love. 

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You mean Wimbledon?

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3 hours ago, imy9 said:

I listened to two mins of that interview and switched off. That was directed at Venkys and no one else. 
The bit I’m confused is he kept saying only three clubs get promoted and you need to spend 100 million to get promoted.

Well issue with that is that there are four play off positions and then there are clubs who are in a position to at least challenge for those positions. Where are we??

doesn’t care if we are 9th or 16th...we the fans care and I pray Venkys care too. 

The bigger issue with him saying that is that - and someone correct me if I'm wrong - nobody has ever spent 100 million to get out of this league.

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3 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

The bigger issue with him saying that is that - and someone correct me if I'm wrong - nobody has ever spent 100 million to get out of this league.

Thats for the owners.  Trying to contextualise our shit season to them.  Hes a twat

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15 minutes ago, Sparks Rover said:

You mean Wimbledon?

No the club local to me where I live these days is Rushden & Diamonds.

They had their own Jack Walker in the shape of Max Griggs who founded Dr Martens boots.

He had a vision to reach the football league and was everything you want in a chairman, like Jack Walker.

They reach the old division 2 and were pushing for the play offs but Max couldn't afford to bank roll it anymore. So he gave it debt free to the fans.

The fans were not able to run it, released the top earners to bigger clubs to reduce the wage bill and then several relegation followed. 

Then the club stabilised for a few years and started to show shoots of recovery until it was taken over by a poorer version of Venkys. The club was soon dissolved and launched an AFC club a year later. Its been successful but hard honest work by the locals. They don't entertain the thought of a buyer, everything is voted on by the members. A similar model to Wimbledon yes. 

As I say, will they be league 1, I doubt it but do they have a club they have a connection to that they are part of, can be passionate about and feel they matter, absolutely. I read the threads on here and just think rather than watching rugby or another local team or even walking dogs instead, an AFC club would give a lot of fans what they want and miss but also impact the current regime that's driving fans away in their droves.

Also maintains that connection and affinity to the club we've followed for years.

Are Venkys going anywhere? Not likely. Is that patronising, dishonest dinosaur going anywhere? Feeling less and less likely so how far does it have to go. Just not healthy

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7 minutes ago, Sparks Rover said:

Thats for the owners.  Trying to contextualise our shit season to them.  Hes a twat

The ironic thing about it is that, over the years, our owners HAVE spent well over a hundred million. I know only a certain amount of that is under Tony, but still. We tack on about 20 million more a year generally, so it must be 60-80 under his watch. He is basically telling them that for that investment they can only expect somewhere from 9th to 17th and they shouldn't care where in that range we fall.

I'd be fucking spitting feathers at those statements if I were them. They won't be (ironically given their main livelihoods) as they won't even hear about it, and if they do they'll surely just lap up Tony's tripe.

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12 minutes ago, RoverInverness said:

His lack of respect for the club and our history has rankled me for a long time. 

Dalglish & Souness were managers with big histories, European Cups, League trophies galore. However, they always respected Blackburn Rovers. I can’t remember a single respectful word TM has made about our heritage. It intimidates him. As someone said on here, we’re the second biggest club this dope will ever manage. Show some respect, you dim witted fool. Blackburn Rovers football club is way out of your league pal. 
 

I can’t listen to the interview. He grates on me at the best of times. I can’t take him at all right now. But as for development?!?!!?!???! Where do you even start!?!?? Is the constant slagging of players from our youth set up all part of the development programme? Tit! I read the comment about Alaya too - which must have cut like a knife for poor Lenihan. But hey ho, Lenihan’s from our youth team so he’s fair game for a slagging from Mowbray.

You know, I’m starting to believe he actually hates the club. 
 

He has NO respect for Rovers.

He has NO love for the Club, Town or Fans.

He doesn't need to hate us although if pushed for an answer I would suggest 'huge dislike'.

 

I wonder what his opinion is on 21st position?

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13 minutes ago, RoverInverness said:

His lack of respect for the club and our history has rankled me for a long time. 

Dalglish & Souness were managers with big histories, European Cups, League trophies galore. However, they always respected Blackburn Rovers. I can’t remember a single respectful word TM has made about our heritage. It intimidates him. As someone said on here, we’re the second biggest club this dope will ever manage. Show some respect, you dim witted fool. Blackburn Rovers football club is way out of your league pal.

 

This is spot on and exactly how I feel. The lack of respect, the talking down of the club, treating the fans like dimwits, not caring about results, the lies, trying to copy Brentford, it's all unbelievably insulting.

I've said it before, this club is too much for Venky's, Mowbray, Venus and Waggott to handle. They have dragged us down to their level, yet some want to back these people because Mowbray comes across as a nice guy? Do me a favour!

Mowbray has shown his true colours recently and I don't say this lightly...he has left me thinking that Owen Coyle was a more likeable character. That's how much Mowbray has wound me up. I'm not a fan of Coyle in the slightest, never wanted him here at all, but he wasn't as much of a bullshitter as this guy is.

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League Table of Most Disliked Managers at Rovers:

1. Kean

2. Mowbray

3. Coyle

Mowbray is making a determined late season charge to take the No. 1 spot.

I wonder what Maggott makes of this? Here he is quietly working out how to do his annual scam of Rovers ST holders and he also has to deal with the loose mouth of Mowbray.

Tip to Steve: Check the Meds!

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7 hours ago, Paul Mani said:

That interview is an absolute disgrace. 

I agree Paul. 

6 hours ago, Crimpshrine said:

“I’m not interested whether we finish 17th or ninth, personally. I’m only interested in the development of the individuals"

What's this all about ?

Sounds like a "non-competative" sports day at a primary school!

 

Pathetic comments to hear and read

5 hours ago, Stuart said:

Some of the Facebook wasters are still backing Mowbray.

Even defending this latest interview.

These are the people who deserve the club we currently have.

How could anyone defend his interview today? It was pathetic and a man who lack that winning mentality!

3 hours ago, SuperBrfc said:

It always come back to the money excuse in the end with Mowbray. How it takes such and such an amount to get promoted etc

 

He has had more financial backing, time and allowed to improve their scouting, video analysis and data analysis structure then any other manager in Venkys era. But we are no better than off league position wise than our 1st season here. So why is this Tony Mowbray? 

2 hours ago, JHRover said:

Oh how I bet he wishes Barnsley weren't sat in the top 6 and someone like Stoke or Derby were instead. 

That would just about wrap up the top 6 excuses for the year blaming budgets, giant clubs, we can't compete.

Not even he can come up with an excuse for Barnsley doing it but not us. Of course the answer is clear - better management from top to bottom.

Barnsley have appointed a good manager who played a style of play and tactics that suits their players. But his comment about their style was wrong. 

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Mowbray is a bit of a thicko and he’s also arrogant. A deadly combination.

He’s also deluded with our style of play. It’s every bit as awful as anything we played under big Sam just a different type of bad and certainly without the results to justify it. 

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15 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

All about framing his discussions with the owners in the summer. Move it away from any talk of promotion and move it towards ‘development’ (though not sure who’s ‘developed’, so that’s another failing, surely?)

Totally transparent but it will probably do the job in his Pune meeting.

TM - just think what SG and BB will be worth considering how AA and BDs values increased.

Venkys - wow, contract extension Mr Mowbray.

Anyone with any football knowledge - My Brain hurts...

 

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6 hours ago, Southside Rover said:

No the club local to me where I live these days is Rushden & Diamonds.

They had their own Jack Walker in the shape of Max Griggs who founded Dr Martens boots.

He had a vision to reach the football league and was everything you want in a chairman, like Jack Walker.

They reach the old division 2 and were pushing for the play offs but Max couldn't afford to bank roll it anymore. So he gave it debt free to the fans.

The fans were not able to run it, released the top earners to bigger clubs to reduce the wage bill and then several relegation followed. 

Then the club stabilised for a few years and started to show shoots of recovery until it was taken over by a poorer version of Venkys. The club was soon dissolved and launched an AFC club a year later. Its been successful but hard honest work by the locals. They don't entertain the thought of a buyer, everything is voted on by the members. A similar model to Wimbledon yes. 

As I say, will they be league 1, I doubt it but do they have a club they have a connection to that they are part of, can be passionate about and feel they matter, absolutely. I read the threads on here and just think rather than watching rugby or another local team or even walking dogs instead, an AFC club would give a lot of fans what they want and miss but also impact the current regime that's driving fans away in their droves.

Also maintains that connection and affinity to the club we've followed for years.

Are Venkys going anywhere? Not likely. Is that patronising, dishonest dinosaur going anywhere? Feeling less and less likely so how far does it have to go. Just not healthy

Excellent post.

Venkys leaving and giving the club to fans debt free is extremely unlikely in my view as I think they would put it into admin first. If they did though we would follow a similar path to R&D.

I’d like to think that fans would rally round and we would get 15,000 fans prepared to pay £350-£400 each. So about £3.5m excluding sponsorship (5000 x high priced). Ignoring any running costs (volunteers?) and tax (maybe find a way for sponsorship income to cover that), 18 players on 2 year contracts for £7m for 52 weeks a year means a flat rate contract 20k per year.

Factor back in tax and costs and you can probably half that. Still not bad and you’d have to set up a pay structure.

These are the kinds of calculations that people at the club are probably making right now but there are two big problems with that (which are somewhat related).

First, Venkys are billionaire business owners who could solve our problems in an instant but choose to put in the absolute minimum, so these costs are a manufactured problem. The second is that fans have been and continue to be treated with utter contempt. A third lesser problem is the ‘brand’ of football from Mowbray - it’s not about entertainment through playing nice looking passes and keeping hold of the ball, it’s about winning football matches.

There is nothing entertaining about losing, it’s a necessary evil and the ratio of wins to losses will determine to an extent whether you can blag a great performance despite a defeat. Too many and it gets old, which is why being a football manager is such a precarious and high turnover job.

I could stomach the penny pinching and the excuses and cutting our cloth if it was an honest set up where the owners genuinely had little cash but were doing everything they could to get what they could and give it to Rovers. Personally I’d support an AFC Rovers like that.

Trying to pretend we are AFC Rovers now with our crap pitch, grubby stadium and schemes to rip up the academy complex while “someone” at the club is taking out £300k. No, sorry, not accepting that as a pauper’s reality.

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I had a very long and interesting conversation yesterday with a well known ex football league chairman. He only retired a season or so ago so is still on the ball with what is happening on what is going on in the football world, eventually the conversation led to rovers current situation, (he as no connection with rovers but knows and his friends with some of our current set up) and without going in to to much he came out with three  comments that sum our situation up. 

1 SW  is just a puppet and the strings are pulled by TM although Waggot is genuinely a decent guy blah , blah blah 

2  TM as had a good squad with support from owners but does not know how to set them up simple as that 

3 owners letting them get away with it.

Obviously plenty more was discussed and that i need to keep to myself but let's say TM would and should have been sacked a long time ago ...

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3 minutes ago, den9112 said:

I had a very long and interesting conversation yesterday with a well known ex football league chairman. He only retired a season or so ago so is still on the ball with what is happening on what is going on in the football world, eventually the conversation led to rovers current situation, (he as no connection with rovers but knows and his friends with some of our current set up) and without going in to to much he came out with three  comments that sum our situation up. 

1 SW  is just a puppet and the strings are pulled by TM although Waggot is genuinely a decent guy blah , blah blah 

2  TM as had a good squad with support from owners but does not know how to set them up simple as that 

3 owners letting them get away with it.

Obviously plenty more was discussed and that i need to keep to myself but let's say TM would and should have been sacked a long time ago ...

Seems about right. Looks fairly clear that if you put the hard yards in with these owners, ‘gain their trust’ etc then you are set fair for as long as you fancy it. TM obviously cannily worked that out early on.

Totally wrong set up for Championship football, but we all know that.

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He must be referring to parachute money with his 100 million line so he's basically saying only clubs with that get promoted.  White flag waver.

This is on the back of saying you have to dominate possession and the ball to get promoted. Iv'e been banging on ever since he changed system it's no good for a club like us or the players he has and signs. How many average sides suddenly change style and football their way out of this league ?

Non, so yes you need money to sign better to players to do that, he's right there. So why in the name of almighty god did he just decide on a whim to try it here ???

You need to mix it up, be strong aggressive and in the face to prosper in this div without the luxuries a big relegated club might have. If he'd done some of that after lockdown last season when we'd nothing to lose we might have landed in the play offs. He'd no frigging intention of it though he bottled it, nothing is clearer now he's been stringing it along as long as he can.

The Coventry job was too big for this faker as was Boro so why do we expect something out of the ordinary here ?   He's more suited to somewhere like Chesterfield he can't handle the remotest bit of ambition or expectation. Yet it seems him and his mates are being allowed to dumb down Rovers to a level THEY are comfortable with.

Someone needs to get in the owners ears and quick.

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10 minutes ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

owners letting them get away with it.

Not my words ,but i took it as they are not that interested as owners of a football club.

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I think success, and whether that is promotion or winning the PL or the CL, starts with the manager's mentality.

i.e. If Zidane says I'm really not bothered if we win the Champions League, I just want to develop players, that there is zero chance his players will perform anywhere near the standard expected, regardless if they are good enough.

What hope is there if the team go out onto the pitch with "it doesn't matter" ringing in their ears.

9th or 17th lads... just enjoy yourselves and try to compete.

 

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They don’t look like they are enjoying themselves, unsurprisingly, as you know, professional, first team footballers probably aren’t on board with being ‘developed’ but winning a game once every three months.

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It's what he passes off as development that is the worrying thing.  Gallagher in various positions, BB cameo's, dropping Nyambie every now and then, Bells cameo's, rotating midfielders game in game out, Elliot or Dolan, those two moved artound varios positions. There's more...

All that just adds to the clusterfuck of no balance, no partnerships developing and long periods of no wins rocketing down the leagues.

Yet this is what he sees as development, my god these owners really are thick as pig shit. It was inevitable though that at some point Mr Integrity and his friends would start taking the piss. Once they know how it really rolls here and how far they can push it.

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