Mr. E Posted February 18, 2021 Posted February 18, 2021 I actually for some inexplicable reason had some slight, faint hope I would check the news this morning and find that lo and behold Venkys have sacked him. Something was just telling me even they must have had enough. It must have been heartburn... 5 Quote
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DavidMailsTightPerm Posted February 18, 2021 Posted February 18, 2021 27 minutes ago, Ewood Ace said: Really? Lenihan hasn't improved for many years, Bell has been poor during his time here, Ayala and Douglas looks shadows of the players they have been previously at this level and Williams hasn't improved in 4 years. Rothwell has been at the club 3 years and the only thing that has been consistent about him is his inconsistency. Gallagher is a worse player now than 4 years ago thanks to Mowbray's shocking use of him. Brereton has improved slightly in that he has gone from looking like a Northern League player to a National league player. Buckley looks like a lost little boy in every game he plays, Travis' progress looks to have stunted in the last 12 months. Corry Evans has been the Corry Evans we have had for the last 7-8 years, a waste of space. Bennett has been past it for a long time, Johnson is well past his best, Holtby's performances have been poorer the longer he has been here. Now Graham has gone I don't think that Mowbray has a clue how to use Dack. The only 2 players I would say have really improved under Mowbray are Armstrong and Nyambe although I believe that Nyambe may be more in spite of Mowbray rather than due to him. The bit you missed - The fact that we aren't improving in terms of league position leaves only one conclusion - that we need to change manager to take that leap from mid-table under achievers to promotion candidates. Player for player I would say our team is now better than it was when he joined. The fact that some players aren't consistent or achieving their potential is (IMO) partly down to the manager. To get that we need to change the manager. 1 Quote
tina Posted February 18, 2021 Posted February 18, 2021 I didn't know or care we had a game last night. Slowbrain has to go and now 1 Quote
DavidMailsTightPerm Posted February 18, 2021 Posted February 18, 2021 57 minutes ago, rigger said: But are we improving player by player in relation to the teams we are vying with for promotion ? I think we are. The loan players we got in were all sounded out by clubs vying for promotion - which one of them wouldn't take Elliott. I am sure any of these clubs would take Armstrong, Dack, Nyambe, Travis, Kaminski off our hands. Personally I think players like Rothwell would also attract interest - depends whether you think his inconsistency is down to him or the manager. Quote
Theaxe15 Posted February 18, 2021 Posted February 18, 2021 In terms of on the pitch, all Mowbray has done is right the wrongs of the relegation which he still has to be partially responsible for, though I would lay more of the blame at Coyle's Irn Bru sponsored front door. We're back where we were in the Bowyer/Lambert era and show absolutely no signs of pushing above that midtable mediocrity. It's all well and good accepting that over relegation but football will always have an element of risk and reward to it. Totally appreciate the stability Mowbray has brought but maybe now is the time to take the risk. Personally I feel we'd be a good proposition for prospective managers. Good squad, great facilities, owners willing to spend and seemingly happy to not get involved too much. All the foundations are there, we just need a forward thinking manager who feels formations and tactics are a relevant part of management 4 Quote
Ewood Ace Posted February 18, 2021 Posted February 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, DavidMailsTightPerm said: Player for player I would say our team is now better than it was when he joined. And so it should be given the money that has been spent, when he joined we had sold all our best players and replaced them with freebies and loans. After spending what must be getting on for £20 Million and not having to sell any key players you'd expect any manager would have an improved squad. 1 Quote
roverandout Posted February 18, 2021 Posted February 18, 2021 I imagine if lambert had been given that much backing we would be in the premiership now Quote
tomphil Posted February 18, 2021 Posted February 18, 2021 (edited) There is a good squad there now, he and others deserve credit for putting it together. That's only half the job though it's clearly being mismanaged on the pitch in football terms. Also factor in he still relies heavily on the older heads he inherited. Bennett always involved when fit as is Evans, Williams the same. Mulgrew would have been had they not fallen out. Maybe we've missed them in terms of their influence rather than ability but what does that say ? I always maintained it was dangerous creating that pecking order in terms of seniority at the club rather than ability and influence on the pitch. Edited February 18, 2021 by tomphil 1 Quote
rigger Posted February 18, 2021 Posted February 18, 2021 10 minutes ago, DavidMailsTightPerm said: I think we are. The loan players we got in were all sounded out by clubs vying for promotion - which one of them wouldn't take Elliott. I am sure any of these clubs would take Armstrong, Dack, Nyambe, Travis, Kaminski off our hands. Personally I think players like Rothwell would also attract interest - depends whether you think his inconsistency is down to him or the manager. Sounded out and rejected. Of the five players you have named, in the form they are in, maybe Kaminski. Rothwell is inconsistent. It doesn't matter whose fault it is. Quote
roversfan99 Posted February 18, 2021 Posted February 18, 2021 2 hours ago, TheRoversReturn said: Is this until our next lucky win gets you to go back on this and be a happy clapper once again? Either Mowbray is the right man or he isn't. Time for people to make up their minds. It's this flip-flopping that's had us wasting the last 18 months at least... To be fair, whilst it is frustrating, it is irrelevant, Mowbray is in a safe bubble with mates around him and disinterred owners above him. 1 minute ago, roverandout said: I imagine if lambert had been given that much backing we would be in the premiership now No chance. A fraud of a manager as his record since suggested. Talked the talk but cant walk the walk. 1 Quote
Butty Posted February 18, 2021 Posted February 18, 2021 He’s not going anywhere any time soon is he 😞 1 Quote
davulsukur Posted February 18, 2021 Posted February 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, Butty said: He’s not going anywhere any time soon is he 😞 No and his comment "we'll judge it at the end of the season" (if we are falling short) suggests he knows it too. Quote
gumboots Posted February 18, 2021 Posted February 18, 2021 But things can change. Will they? Probably not. But they just might Quote
Displaced Rover Posted February 18, 2021 Posted February 18, 2021 Worst thing about this is the total lack of any rumours of him being under the slightest pressure. We're essentially united in wanting him gone but he's here to stay and there's nothing we can do. 1 Quote
phili Posted February 18, 2021 Posted February 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Blue blood said: Thought about this and I think we are safe this season for a two key reasons. 1 As we have proved this season we are still capable of playing badly and getting the odd result. Sure it's down to the inconsistency and dross in the league, as well as some individual brilliance from a few of our players but we will still pick up some points. 2 We are (I think) about 10 points off relegation. This requires a three game swing where we get nothing and those in the relegation zone get wins. I'm sure we are capable of 3 losses but am equally sure that the teams in the relegation zone won't win 3 on the bounce before we pick up some points. Not a ringing endorsement of the team or manager and take away Armstrong's goals and you would be super worried. But until next season at least we are safe. I hope you are right, as I don't think we have the players to roll their sleaves up for a relegation battle, the two young lads from Everton and City will crack under the pressure of a relegation battle. I think your comments would have been echoed last season by Hull who had 39 points after 26 games. To only get 3 draws and a win in the last 20 games was horrifying for them. Looking at our next 9 games, we are likely to get a few draws so the last 8 games will be tight. Having said that when the pressure is on, TM always seems to conjure up a few wins so we should be ok. Quote
StevenSK Posted February 18, 2021 Posted February 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, Displaced Rover said: Worst thing about this is the total lack of any rumours of him being under the slightest pressure. We're essentially united in wanting him gone but he's here to stay and there's nothing we can do. Relax he won’t become a burden and will walk before that happens....... some dignity he’s got. I wouldn’t have had the gall to do what he’s doing Quote
G Somerset Rover Posted February 18, 2021 Posted February 18, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Boz said: Sadly he has never got to grips with our defence, he needed a big ugly experienced dominant centre half, yet failed, which I find surprising as that was exactly what he was as a player. Indeed. He has consistently talked about needing 'men' in the side, particularly at the back. Yet where do we find ourselves? A back three comprised of a rapidly regressing Lenihan, and two on loan kids who are here to play week in week out regardless of their performances. He can't even seem to take his own advice on board. Edited February 18, 2021 by Gavlar Somerset Rover! 2 Quote
speeeeeeedie Posted February 18, 2021 Posted February 18, 2021 Mowbray does seems to have lost something. Don Said's old posts yesterday were eye opening. Mowbray isn't a Prem manager because of his flaws. These flaws are being exaggerated at present. Why does he keep changing formation? Pick one and go with it. Personnel may change but their roles once playing shouldn't change. I got a text of a Boro supporting mate last night. He asked how Rovers did. I told him we lost and are sitting in Championship purgatory. His reply; "Ah, mid-table Mowbray. That's what he does.". 2 Quote
RoversClitheroe Posted February 18, 2021 Posted February 18, 2021 Has Mowbray lost the dressing room? Have a feeling after yesterday's result and performance he has. Quote
Fraserkirky Posted February 18, 2021 Posted February 18, 2021 Clearly lost the dressing room. He isn’t going anywhere though just now. Maybe end of season. Mass clearout in the summer of players and management team. Quote
den Posted February 18, 2021 Posted February 18, 2021 Is Waggott strong enough to tell Venkys they have to sack him? Quote
gumboots Posted February 18, 2021 Posted February 18, 2021 1 hour ago, roversfan99 said: To be fair, whilst it is frustrating, it is irrelevant, Mowbray is in a safe bubble with mates around him and disinterred owners above him. You do have to wonder where we dug them up from 4 Quote
tina Posted February 18, 2021 Posted February 18, 2021 Safe as houses. His mate Maggot in charge. Indians looking forward to the IPL. We protest in vain. Hope I'm wrong Quote
windymiller7 Posted February 18, 2021 Posted February 18, 2021 I keep checking back on here hoping someone's heard at least a sniff of a rumour, but no, nothing. It's so depressing & made worse knowing that we can't even get down to Ewood any time soon to vent our spleens & show what we think. Even worse, I can imagine Mowbray & Waggott sat in his office reading the comments on here, pissing themselves laughing. "Here Steve, read this one - Mowbray is clueless & needs potting now - Ha ha, if only they knew" "Nah, Tony even better, look here, they've actually got a thread with people suggesting who should replace you! Ha ha" "We are Blackburn Rovers & deserve better? Ha Ha Bollocks! BORO BORO BORO!! Ha Ha" 🤬🤬 7 Quote
AllRoverAsia Posted February 18, 2021 Posted February 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, tina said: Safe as houses. His mate Maggot in charge. Indians looking forward to the IPL. We protest in vain. Hope I'm wrong Welcome! You are not wrong, in fact you've hit the proverbial nail on head. However it is Mowbray that runs the Ewood show, not Swag, on behalf of the Pune Poo. 'Owning' a Football club whilst using some other idiots cash is what he's dreamed about. It's based on some Americans philosophy, I'll try and find the article I read on this from years ago. Incumbent dictators are not dislodged easily 2 Quote
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